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    Probability Question

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    Let X_1 and X_2 be the joint probability distribution

     . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad X_1=0 .  \qquad \qquad \qquad X_1=1  . \qquad \qquad \qquad X_1=2
    X_2 = 0  . \qquad \qquad \qquad  0.1  . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.4  . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.1
    X_2 = 1  . \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.2  . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.2  . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.0

    i) Find P(X_1 + X_2)
    ii) Are X_1 and X_2 independent
    iii) P(X_1 = 0 | X_2 = 1)

    I need to know how to get the value of P(X_1 + X_2)

    Here is my work
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\begin{array}{|c|c|c|} P(X_1 = 0) \ = \ 0.3 \  \ & P(X_1 = 0 |X_2 = 0) \ = \ 0.2  \ \ & P(X_1 = 0 | X_2 = 1) \ = \ 0.5  \\<br />
P(X_1 = 1) \ = \ 0.6 \ \  & P(X_1 = 1 |X_2 = 0) \ = \ 0.7 \ \  & P(X_1 = 1 | X_2 = 1) \ = \ 0.5  \\<br />
P(X_1 = 2) \ = \ 0.1 \  \ & P(X_1 = 2 |X_2 = 0) \ = \ 0.2 \ \  & P(X_1 = 2 | X_2 = 1) \ = \ 0.0 \\<br />
\end{array}<br />

    And also want to know the if my answers of ii) and iii) are correct or no ?

    i) ???

    ii) Answer
    Since P(X_1|X_2) = P(X_1) \ \therefore \ P(X_1) \ and \ P(X_2) are not independent
    iii) Answer
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P(X_1 = 0| X_2 = 1) \ = \ 0.5

    Please provide me with the answer for i) ?????????
    Last edited by mr fantastic; December 10th 2009 at 02:12 PM. Reason: Corrected a typo (in red)
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    Im confused. Are they asking you to find the P(X_1,X_2), or literally the value of X_1 added to X_2, which is a random variable from 0 to 3?

    As for independence, they are most surely not. Take the probability of (0,0):

    P(X_1=0,X_2=0) \neq P(X_1=0)P(X_2=0)

    As the probability on the left is 0.1, however the probability on the right is 0.18.

    Your conditional probability is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorro View Post
    Question :

    Let X_1 and X_2 be the joint probability distribution

     . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad X_1=0 . \qquad \qquad \qquad X_1=1  . \qquad \qquad \qquad X_1=2
    X_2 = 0  . \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.1  . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.4  . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.1
    X_2 = 1  . \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.2  . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.2  . \qquad \qquad \qquad \qquad 0.0

    i) Find P(X_1 + X_2)
    ii) Are X_1 and X_2 independent
    iii) P(X_1 = 0 | X_2 = 1)

    I need to know how to get the value of P(X_1 + X_2)

    Here is my work
     <br />
\begin{array}{|c|c|c|} P(X_1 = 0) \ = \ 0.3 \ \ & P(X_1 = 0 |X_2 = 0) \ = \ 0.2 \ \ & P(X_1 = 0 | X_2 = 1) \ = \ 0.5 \\<br />
P(X_1 = 1) \ = \ 0.6 \ \ & P(X_1 = 1 |X_2 = 0) \ = \ 0.7 \ \ & P(X_1 = 1 | X_2 = 1) \ = \ 0.5 \\<br />
P(X_1 = 2) \ = \ 0.1 \ \ & P(X_1 = 2 |X_2 = 0) \ = \ 0.2 \ \ & P(X_1 = 2 | X_2 = 1) \ = \ 0.0 \\<br />
\end{array}<br />

    And also want to know the if my answers of ii) and iii) are correct or no ?

    i) ???

    ii) Answer
    Since P(X_1|X_2) = P(X_1) \ \therefore \ P(X_1) \ and \ P(X_2) are not independent
    iii) Answer
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P(X_1 = 0| X_2 = 1) \ = \ 0.5

    Please provide me with the answer for i) ?????????
    Your answer for (iii) is correct: 0.2/(0.2 + 0.2 + 0.0) = 1/2.

    For (i), I would let Y = X_1 + X_2. The possible values for Y are Y = 0, 1, 2, 3. Your job is to calculate Pr(Y = 0), Pr(Y = 1) etc. eg. \Pr(Y = 1) = \Pr(X_1 = 0 \cap X_2 = 1) + \Pr(X_1 = 1 \cap X_2 = 0) = 0.2 + 0.4 = 0.6 etc.

    For (ii), it's sufficient to show something like \Pr(X_1 = 0 \cap X_2 = 0) \neq \Pr(X_1 = 0) \cdot \Pr(X_2 = 0).
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    I wasnt able to understand

    Quote Originally Posted by mr fantastic View Post
    Your answer for (iii) is correct: 0.2/(0.2 + 0.2 + 0.0) = 1/2.

    For (i), I would let Y = X_1 + X_2. The possible values for Y are Y = 0, 1, 2, 3. Your job is to calculate Pr(Y = 0), Pr(Y = 1) etc. eg. \Pr(Y = 1) = \Pr(X_1 = 0 \cap X_2 = 1) + \Pr(X_1 = 1 \cap X_2 = 0) = 0.2 + 0.4 = 0.6 etc.

    For (ii), it's sufficient to show something like \Pr(X_1 = 0 \cap X_2 = 0) \neq \Pr(X_1 = 0) \cdot \Pr(X_2 = 0).

    Mr fantastic i wasnt able to understand the answer 1)
    could u please tell me why is Y used at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorro View Post
    Mr fantastic i wasnt able to understand the answer 1)
    could u please tell me why is Y used at all
    For convenience. I have defined Y to be equal to X1 + X2. If you don't like it, just continue using X1 + X2.
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    Y is the random variable whose values are the values of the random variable X_1 and X_2 added together. Therefore Y is just the possible combinations of X_1 added to X_2, and has values that range from 0 to 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr fantastic View Post
    For convenience. I have defined Y to be equal to X1 + X2. If you don't like it, just continue using X1 + X2.

    May i know what is P(X_1 + X_2) is it  P(X_1) + P(X_2) or some thing else

    In ur prev post i wasnt able to understand this bit
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    Despite your disbelief in the powers of others: As Mr. Fantastic (and myself) said, Y is simply the possible values of X1 (which are 0, 1 or 2), added to the possible values of X2 (which are 0, 1). Therefore Y is a random variable, made from adding two random variables together:

    0 + 0 = 0, 0 + 1 = 1, 1 + 0 = 1, 1 + 1= 2, 2 + 0= 2, 2 + 1 = 3;

    are all the possible combinations of the two random variables X1 and X2.

    It really is that literal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorro View Post
    May i know what is P(X_1 + X_2) is it  P(X_1) + P(X_2) or some thing else

    In ur prev post i wasnt able to understand this bit
    X1 + X2 is a random variable (which I called Y). P(X_1 + X_2) is the probability of that random variable being equal to the values that it can equal. eg. Pr(X1 + X2 = 0), Pr(X1 + X2 = 1), ..... Pr(X1 + X2 = 3).
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    Is this correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by mr fantastic View Post
    X1 + X2 is a random variable (which I called Y). P(X_1 + X_2) is the probability of that random variable being equal to the values that it can equal. eg. Pr(X1 + X2 = 0), Pr(X1 + X2 = 1), ..... Pr(X1 + X2 = 3).


    P(X_1 + X_2 = 0) = 0.06
    P(X_1 + X_2 = 1) = 0.6
    P(X_1 + X_2 = 2) = 0.32
    P(X_1 + X_2 = 3) = 0.0
    \therefore P(X_1 + X_2) = 0.98


    Is this right ????
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    The probability that Y takes on some value between 0 and 3 is 1. You are being asked to construct a probability distribution for P(X1+X2).

    Also, you should know that 0.98 isn't right simply by the fact that the probability of P(S) (where S is your space) is equal to 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorro View Post
    P(X_1 + X_2 = 0) = 0.06
    P(X_1 + X_2 = 1) = 0.6
    P(X_1 + X_2 = 2) = 0.32
    P(X_1 + X_2 = 3) = 0.0
    \therefore P(X_1 + X_2) = 0.98


    Is this right ????
    P(X_1 + X_2 = 0) = P(X_1 = 0 \cap X_2 = 0) = 0.1 straight from the given table.

    P(X_1 + X_2 = 2) = P(X_1 = 1 \cap X_2 = 1) + P(X_1 = 2 \cap X_2 = 0) + = .... (get all values from the given table).

    etc.
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