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    Hi all, I am struggling to finish this problem and was seeing if anyone could help me.

    There are two circles.

    Circle 1 has a center at (2,4), and radius 4.
    Circle 2 has a center at (14,9) and radius 9.

    I need to find the equation for common tangent line of these two circles. The circles touch so there is just one exterior tangent line.

    Any help is appreciated, Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliMan982 View Post
    Hi all, I am struggling to finish this problem and was seeing if anyone could help me.

    There are two circles.

    Circle 1 has a center at (2,4), and radius 4.
    Circle 2 has a center at (14,9) and radius 9.

    I need to find the equation for common tangent line of these two circles. The circles touch so there is just one exterior tangent line.

    Any help is appreciated, Thanks.
    you need to be specific what tangent line you are after. there are two external ones (the x-axis happens to be one of them) and an "internal" one. that is, the tangent line that passes through the point of intersection of the circles
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    Not the X-Axis Tangent

    Sorry for the confusion.

    I do not want the external one that is just the x-axis. I want the other external tangent like that touches the top of both circles. I hope this clarifies it.
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    I have uploaded a simulated picture that includes which tangent line I am trying to find. The details are not correspondning to the numbers, this is just to clarify which tangent equation I am trying to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliMan982 View Post
    Hi all, I am struggling to finish this problem and was seeing if anyone could help me.

    There are two circles.

    Circle 1 has a center at (2,4), and radius 4.
    Circle 2 has a center at (14,9) and radius 9.

    I need to find the equation for common tangent line of these two circles. The circles touch so there is just one exterior tangent line.

    Any help is appreciated, Thanks.
    Hello,

    you'll find all necessary methods here: http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-he...712-post1.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by earboth View Post
    Hello,

    you'll find all necessary methods here: http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-he...712-post1.html
    Maybe you meant here .....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr fantastic View Post
    Maybe you meant here .....?
    nope. he was almost right the first time, here's the thread. the user double posted
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    If you want to get the equation using calculus, follow these steps:

    1- Write the circles as an equation. (Like (x-x_0)^2 + (y-y_0)^2 = r^2). Then, convert them to functions of x. The thing is, one equation will give you two functions of x, each of them making top and bottom semicircles. Take the functions of top semicircles. For example,
    (x-x_0)^2 + (y-y_0)^2 = r^2
    (y-y_0)^2 = r^2-(x-x_0)^2
    |y-y_0| =\sqrt{r^2-(x-x_0)^2}
    y = y_0 + \sqrt{r^2-(x-x_0)^2} (top semicircle), y = y_0 - \sqrt{r^2-(x-x_0)^2} (bottom semicircle)

    Now apply it two your circles and take only the functions of top semicircles. Call them f(x), g(x)

    2- Let's call the tangent points (a,f(a)) and (b,g(b)).

    3-
    i. Slope of the line is f'(a)
    ii. Slope of the line is g'(b)
    iii. Slope of the line is \frac{g(b) - f(a)}{b-a}

    So,
    m = f'(a) = g'(b) = \frac{g(b) - f(a)}{b-a}

    First solve f'(a) = g'(b) and find b as a function of a. Then plug this b in \frac{g(b) - f(a)}{b-a} and solve f'(a) = \frac{g(b) - f(a)}{b-a}. You'll find a. I think you can do the rest easily ^^

    This calculations may be hard to do by hand. Using a plotter and a CAS will make your work easier. Good luck

    P.S: If you can't solve it, write it here and I or someone else will probably help you wherever you're stuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wingless View Post
    If you want to get the equation using calculus, follow these steps:

    1- Write the circles as an equation. (Like (x-x_0)^2 + (y-y_0)^2 = r^2). Then, convert them to functions of x. The thing is, one equation will give you two functions of x, each of them making top and bottom semicircles. Take the functions of top semicircles. For example,
    (x-x_0)^2 + (y-y_0)^2 = r^2
    (y-y_0)^2 = r^2-(x-x_0)^2
    y-y_0 = |r^2-(x-x_0)^2|
    y = y_0 + r^2-(x-x_0)^2 (top semicircle), y = y_0 - r^2-(x-x_0)^2 (bottom semicircle)

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    Hi,

    I'm a little bit confused:

    In my opinion this equation y = y_0 + r^2-(x-x_0)^2 represents a parabola and not a semi-circle.

    Maybe you mean: y = y_0 + \sqrt{r^2-(x-x_0)^2} .....??
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    Oh that's a typo, sorry for that, I had to write it and go out quickly
    It's fixed now.
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    In this situation, the problem is MUCH easier. Since the circles are externally tangent to each other, your tangent line is perpendicular to the segment connecting your centers, and passes through the point \frac{4}{13} of the way across that segment.

    Slope of segment:
    \frac{14-2}{9-4} = \frac{12}{5}

    Perpendicular slope:
    -\frac{5}{12}

    Point that the tangent passes through:
    (\frac{4}{13}(2+14),\frac{4}{13}(4+9)) = (\frac{64}{13},4)

    I'll let you find the equation through that point with your perpendicular slope.
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    which way?

    I am confused which way is the best way to do this cause i got two answers for each, and I do not see where the point 4/13 comes from.
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    It seems that Henderson is trying to calculate the internal tangent, that is the one that passes through the point of contact of the two circles. But thatís not the tangent that is wanted, is it?

    In any case, the internal tangent does not pass through \left(\frac{64}{13},4\right). (It should pass through the point of contact of the circles, which is \left(2+\frac{4}{13}(14-2),4+\frac{4}{13}(9-4)\right)=\left(\frac{74}{13},\frac{72}{13}\right).)
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