When 4444^4444 is written in decimal notations, the sum of its digits is A. Let B be the sum of the digits of A. Find the sum of the digits of B.

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- Aug 7th 2008, 05:47 AMfardeen_genFind sum of the digits of B?
When 4444^4444 is written in decimal notations, the sum of its digits is A. Let B be the sum of the digits of A. Find the sum of the digits of B.

- Aug 8th 2008, 03:37 AMKiwi_Dave
My solution is not very elegant. It may not even be right. But here goes.

First I seek an upper bound to the solution.

Furthermore

Now we conclude that has 17 digits where the most significant digit is 1 and the other digits are unknown (but not more than 9).

Hence

Now for all numbers up to 145 the one with the largest digit sum is 139 which sums to 13. Hence B<13.

Now summing the digits of any number gives a result that is equal to the starting number (modulo 9).

Hence (mod 9)

This is greater than 13 so I sum the digits repeatidly until I get an acceptable answer. The result is 823543, 25, 7. OK so I think the answer is 7.

When you receive the model answer can you please post it? - Aug 8th 2008, 04:50 AMCoffee CatA long train of thought
I think Kiwi_Dave is on the right track. We can use logarithms in this problem to determine the number of digits in 4444^4444.

log (4444^4444) = 4444 log 4444 = 16210.7079

which means 4444^4444 has 16211 digits. The sum of these 16211 digits is A. The sum of the digits of A is B.

Without restrictions save for the number of digits, the maximum possible value of A is 16211 * 9 = 145899. Of course, that has a digital root of 9, so it couldn't be the value of A.

We know that the digital root of 4444^4444 is 7 (because the digital root of 4444 is 7, and the powers of 7 have digital roots of 7, 4, 1 respectively for exponents of the form 3k-2, 3k-1 and 3k respectively). Its last digit is 6 (owing to the even exponent).

As for its first digit, we can calculate this using logarithms again.

Let's say n is the first digit. So n * 10^16210 < 4444^4444

So log n + 16210 < 16210.7079

We find that n = 5

So the 1st digit is 5, the last digit is 6. Together they have a digital root of 2. So the remaining (16211-2) = 16209 digits have a digital root of 5.

Let's say 16208 digits are 9's and another digit is 5. So the highest possible value of A is

5 + 16208 * 9 + 5 + 6 = 145888. It has 6 digits. The sum of the digits is 34.

My answer is 34.

Of course, the 16208 digits aren't necessarily 9 and the other digit 5... so I was just sharing this train of thought, lol (Hi) I still don't know how to peg a convincing answer for this caper, so I'll think about it for the night (Thinking)

Please share the solution and answer. I'd love to know it too. - Aug 8th 2008, 04:36 PMKiwi_Dave
I think one of the experts will show us an answer that does not involve logs. But between us we will get close! I mistook a comma for a period on my calculator!

By changing a few digits we could get A = 144999. The sum of the digits is 36 so the answer cannot be greater than 36.

However, (mod 9). So the answer must be 7,16,25 or 34? - Aug 8th 2008, 10:20 PMfardeen_gen
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And so, the solution

Using this useful result,

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Hence

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Now, http://alt1.artofproblemsolving.com/...4ac69996ff.gif, but since that last digit sum cannot be http://alt1.artofproblemsolving.com/...5146201319.gif or greater it must be http://alt1.artofproblemsolving.com/...ffdf29b237.gif. - Aug 9th 2008, 06:19 AMCoffee Cat:)
Awesome! Thanks, fardeen_gen!

- Aug 14th 2008, 11:01 PMmanjilEasier and elegant!
See my reply to this at MathLinks :: View topic - A 103 this is a problem from the 1975 IMO. I believe my solution is both more elegant and easy!

- Aug 15th 2008, 06:02 AMMoo
- Aug 15th 2008, 08:20 AMmanjil
Anyway I was wrong on that count but the proof still holds if we replace 179,999 by 99,999 and 44 by 45.

Also the sum of the digits of B can't be more than 39 because 3+9=12 which is the largest possible sum!(Rofl)

Thanks for pointing that out!

But don't you agree that my proof is better than the others posted? - Aug 15th 2008, 09:28 AMCaptainBlack
- Aug 15th 2008, 09:04 PMMoo