Show that the following pairs of sets have the same cardinality:

for any real numbers a,b,c,&d with a<b & c<d the open intervals (a,b) & (c,d) of real numbers.

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- September 17th 2012, 09:30 AMfraniosCardinality
Show that the following pairs of sets have the same cardinality:

for any real numbers a,b,c,&d with a<b & c<d the open intervals (a,b) & (c,d) of real numbers. - September 17th 2012, 09:43 AMemakarovRe: Cardinality
It's easy to write a linear bijection from (a, b) to (c, d).

- September 17th 2012, 03:10 PMfraniosRe: Cardinality
Would it be something like f:(a,b)to(c,d) ...??

- September 17th 2012, 03:18 PMemakarovRe: Cardinality
Yes. Suppose a point x is 3/4 of the way from a to b. To what point in (c, d) should x be mapped? What is the explicit formula? And now if x is an arbitrary point in (a, b) (not necessarily 3/4 of the way), what fraction of the way from a to b is it?

- September 17th 2012, 04:19 PMPlatoRe: Cardinality
- September 17th 2012, 05:38 PMjohnsomeoneRe: Cardinality
Pause for a moment and think about what a linear map f sending the interval (a,b) onto the interval (c,d) would be:

f is a linear map from to . The easiest such a would send a to c and b to d, and "linearly in between".

But what's that? It's a straight line having f(a)=c and f(b)=d. Hence it going through the points (a, c) and (b, d).

Find f(x) = mx+k such that f goes through (a, c) and (b, d) is now just the standard Algebra I problem. m=(c-d)/(a-b) and k=f(a)-ma = c - ( (c-d)/(a-b) ) a. - September 17th 2012, 05:45 PMfraniosRe: Cardinality
I see what youre saying, so something like this:

Proof: Let (a, b) and (c, d) be open intervals with a < b and c < d.

We can find the equation of the straight line from (a, c) to (b, d). The slope of this line is (d − c)/(b−a) so the bijection is f (x) =(d-c)/(b − a)(x − a) + c.

so by bijection (?) (a,b) & (c,d) have the same cardinality. - September 17th 2012, 06:35 PMjohnsomeoneRe: Cardinality
That's right, though you should show that the f you defined is a bijection. Of course, linear functions are always bijections onto their image so long as the slop isn't 0 or undefined (infinity) (that won't be the case here - why?), but it's best to show it (and you should know how to show it how regardless).

You could prove that f(a,b)->(c,d) is a bijection directly:

If f(x1) = f(x2), then... (details)... , therefore x1=x2, so f is injective. If q in (c,d), then...(details)... , so have found a p in (a,b) such that f(p) = q, and therefore f is surjective.)

A perhaps easier way is to constuct the inverse function g, and then show that f(g(x)) = x, and g(f(x)) = x, both for all x. That guarantees that f is a bijection.

It's easy to find the equation for g (f(x)=mx+k, so x = mg(x)+k, so g(x) = (x-k)/m). You should show that g does indeed map (c,d) into (a,c). It's then simple algebra to show both f(g(x)) = x, and g(f(x)) = x.

Anyway, once you've produced a bijection f between the two sets (a,b) and (c,d), you're then allowed to say they have the same cardinality (since that's the definition of "same cardinality"). - September 18th 2012, 10:00 AMDevenoRe: Cardinality
theorem: the function given by for is a bijection.

proof: suppose . then:

since .

thus f is injective.

now choose an arbitrary real number y. then ,

so every y has a pre-image in , so f is surjective.

in fact, we have "even better" than a bijection between (a,b) and (c,d), the linear map AND its inverse are both continuous. the term for such a map is "homeomorphism", which means the two intervals are topologically indistinguishable (you can think of this as one can be "stretched" and "translated" to make the other one).

a perhaps even weirder fact is that (a,b) has a bijection onto all of . real numbers are so densely packed, that even when they are stretched "infinitely apart" they stay connected (and therefore are not recommended for making taffy).