I know how to prove that the is irrational, and that is irrational. But how does one go about using the tricks involved in the proof on something like proving that is irrational if:

?

Thanks in advance

- September 30th 2010, 03:38 PMmfetch22Proving the irrationality of the sum of non perfect square roots?
I know how to prove that the is irrational, and that is irrational. But how does one go about using the tricks involved in the proof on something like proving that is irrational if:

?

Thanks in advance - September 30th 2010, 04:26 PMGusbob
You can prove this by contradiction. Assume P is rational.

then try squaring the equation

Use the facts that a square of a rational is a rational, and rational number addition and scalar multiplication is closed under the rational field.

Fiddle around with the squared equation and you'll just have to prove is irrational using those tricks you mentioned, which leads to a contradiction (a rational number = an irrational number) - September 30th 2010, 09:45 PMTheCoffeeMachine
If I'm not missing something you have posted this before, and it has received a considerable attention in here.

- October 1st 2010, 01:09 PMmfetch22
My bad, yes I must've posted it before. I had thought it was different problem. I wasn't sure. Wont happen again

- October 5th 2010, 11:39 AMmfetch22
Oh, and thanks for the help Gusbob, I figured out the polynomial that represented the squared version and had no trouble proving the irrationality of 6^(1/2). That was a clever idea to use the square of the sum of the square roots. I hadn't thought of that before, I know I used it once along time ago, but I forgot about it. Thanks for the help.