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February 28th 2010, 01:06 AM
flower3

primes...

find all primes of the form $n^4 -m^4$
February 28th 2010, 01:15 AM
tonio

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Originally Posted by flower3

find all primes of the form $n^4 -m^4$

$n^4-m^4=(n-m)(n+m)(n^2+m^2)$ ...

Tonio
February 28th 2010, 02:15 AM
Bacterius

So, to give a little hint, how many primes can you think of that satisfy $n^4-m^4=(n-m)(n+m)(n^2+m^2)$ ? And what condition can you put on $n$ and $m$ so that the expression is prime ? (remember the basic definition of a prime number) Conclude.
February 28th 2010, 08:11 AM
pollardrho06

There aren't any primes of the form a^4 - b^4

To see this,

let n = a^4 - b^4

factor...

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and you get a factor of (a + b) in the product which is neither 1 nor n and certainly divides n.

Done!

Regards,

Shahz.
February 28th 2010, 08:12 AM
pollardrho06

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Originally Posted by tonio

$n^4-m^4=(n-m)(n+m)(n^2+m^2)$ ...

Tonio

Tonio pretty much nailed it.
February 28th 2010, 09:10 AM
Bacterius

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Originally Posted by pollardrho06

Tonio pretty much nailed it.

What I wanted Flower3 to think about was that there "might" have been primes of that form, and I wanted him (or most likely her) to investigate how this could have been a prime. The observation should be that if two of the factors are equal to 1, then the number is prime. And the conclusion would be that no two factors can be simultaneously equal to one, hence there is no prime of that form ...

I thought that was pedagogic.
February 28th 2010, 09:13 AM
Drexel28

This thread takes me on a stroll down memory lane.
February 28th 2010, 12:12 PM
tonio

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Originally Posted by Drexel28

This thread takes me on a stroll down memory lane.

Unbelievable and annoying: same poster, same question , 1.5 months apart. No doubt, some would be better off knitting handkerchiefs....really!

Tonio
February 28th 2010, 05:53 PM
Bacterius

It's actually the same guy!? (Whew)
Geez, now that's impressive...