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    there is no truth outside mathematics

    ...and inside mathematics there is only probability
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    I don't agree with any of that.
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    why not? There is a kernel of "truth" in it, of course in daily life an occasion happened or did not happen, OK people can also lie about that
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    Just because there is truth in mathematics doesn't mean there can be no other truth.

    Equally, the truth in mathematics is not limited to probability (in any sense). The truths in mathematics are absolute and not limited to the field of probability.
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    OK I mean social truth, in society compared to the social sciences, we call that in Dutch sociology, so in society versus sociology => statistical research in sociology gives only probability, in society people talk and behave what is the most appropriate for their situation (i.e. what serves their interests best), OK not always, but in general
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    Quote Originally Posted by galien8 View Post
    OK I mean social truth, in society compared to the social sciences, we call that in Dutch sociology, so in society versus sociology => statistical research in sociology gives only probability, in society people talk and behave what is the most appropriate for their situation (i.e. what serves their interests best), OK not always, but in general
    Okay, I must have drunk too much beer this weekend. What is all this about? It sounds like your statement is too general to work, but I have no clue what you are trying to get across in this post??

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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    your still to drunk that you cannot read? :-D
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    Quote Originally Posted by galien8 View Post
    ...and inside mathematics there is only probability
    This statement itself is not mathematics and therefore says of itself that it is not true!
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    Quote Originally Posted by galien8 View Post
    ...and inside mathematics there is only probability
    Quote Originally Posted by galien8 View Post
    OK I mean social truth, in society compared to the social sciences, we call that in Dutch sociology, so in society versus sociology => statistical research in sociology gives only probability, in society people talk and behave what is the most appropriate for their situation (i.e. what serves their interests best), OK not always, but in general
    How do these two comments relate to each other. That's what I'm having the problem with.

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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    Quote Originally Posted by galien8 View Post
    OK I mean social truth, in society compared to the social sciences, we call that in Dutch sociology, so in society versus sociology => statistical research in sociology gives only probability, in society people talk and behave what is the most appropriate for their situation (i.e. what serves their interests best), OK not always, but in general
    That's a hugely restricted context that isn't hinted at in your original statement. I understand what you are saying, but I could still argue against it in that the mathematics of statistics is a collection of true and provable theorems. What is crucial in statistics is the interpretation of the results, which should usually be much more qualified than people would like.
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    Beer soaked ramblings follows.

    To paraphrase Pilate: What is truth?
    Is it nothing more than a story believed?
    Is it the mere absence of contradiction?
    Is the truth really out there agent Mulder?
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    Re: there is no truth outside mathematics

    Quote Originally Posted by galien8 View Post
    your still to drunk that you cannot read? :-D
    That's not nice Sir Galien:
    go wash your mouth with Old Dutch !
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