# Thread: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

1. ## Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

Hello everyone, this is my first post in the Math Help Forum. I was wanting to know if anybody out there can prove that x = 3 (without just 'plugging it' in) in this equation that my friend made:

3√(8x+3) - 3√(x-4) = 4 (third roots)

Here's what I have of the proof so far: View image: Proof of the Super Equation( WIP) Sorry if you can't follow it lol...
What would you recommend I do as the next step? The numbers are really getting out of control...

2. ## Re: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

At the point where you have $\displaystyle 8x+3 = 64 + .....$ , rearrange the equation as

$\displaystyle 7(x-4) - 12(x-4)^{2/3}-48(x-4)^{1/3} - 29 = 0.$

Now make a substitution,$\displaystyle z = (x-4)^{1/3},$ and you arrive at the cubic equation

$\displaystyle 7z^{3}-12z^{2}-48z-29 = 0.$

Whether or not you accept trial values for $\displaystyle z$ (which is a normal method) I don't know. ($\displaystyle z = -1$ is a fairly obvious solution.) The alternative is to use perhaps Cardano's method.

3. ## Re: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

How did you go from the 8x+3 = 64... to the 7(x-4) one? I don't see how the flow of logic works from one step to the next. I understand the substitution part though. I got this: View image: Proof of the Super Equation( WIP)

4. ## Re: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

$\displaystyle -7x+57 = -7x+28+29=-7(x-4)+29.$

5. ## Re: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

Oh, that makes sense :P you just rewrite those into an (x-4) term so that it can be replaced with substitution. Now I'll just work with the cubic function soon (maybe not today, have too much homework...). And yes, I accept trial values for z, otherwise I would probably use some extremely complicated method...

6. ## Re: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

Now, I am doing polynomial division between (z+1) and the cubic function. I am getting a remainder, what course of action do you recommend now? here's what I have so far: View image: Proof of the Super Equation( WIP)

7. ## Re: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

You should not get a remainder in the polynomial long division. Doing the division, I find:

$\displaystyle 7z^3-12z^2-48z-29=(z+1)(7z^2-19z-29)$

8. ## Re: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

I think I see what I did wrong here... bad arithmetic. Oh well, someday I'll learn to count :P

9. ## Re: Algebra 2 Super Challenge Problem!

Originally Posted by BobP
At the point where you have $\displaystyle 8x+3 = 64 + .....$ , rearrange the equation as

$\displaystyle 7(x-4) - 12(x-4)^{2/3}-48(x-4)^{1/3} - 29 = 0.$

Now make a substitution,$\displaystyle z = (x-4)^{1/3},$ and you arrive at the cubic equation

$\displaystyle 7z^{3}-12z^{2}-48z-29 = 0.$

Whether or not you accept trial values for $\displaystyle z$ (which is a normal method) I don't know. ($\displaystyle z = -1$ is a fairly obvious solution.) The alternative is to use perhaps Cardano's method.
For the record the cubic has the 3 real solutions as
$\displaystyle z = -1,~\frac{19 \pm \sqrt{1173}}{14}$

So
$\displaystyle x = 3,~\frac{10587 \pm 282\sqrt{1173}}{343}$

All of these are correct according to the original equation, but I would highly recommend the last two solutions be done on a calculator. (You'll see why when you plug them into the original equation.)

Okay, I was bored.

-Dan