# Thread: how do we know where a number begins or ends?

1. ## how do we know where a number begins or ends?

this is an example of what i am talking about:

0----------1----------2---------3 these lines represent 1+1=2

by looking at numbers represented by lines it appears that 1+1 actually ends past 2 and at three. I know that 1+1=2 when we think of numbers as being a whole like two apples, but in reality when the second apple is added havent we completed two and reached three? I guess you could even contend that the apple is at its greatest amount in the middle and recedes as the apple is "completed".
Basically what I am asking is how is the beginning or end of a number decided on. The line i made and connected is something i just decided on but could obviously be different if someone else drew the lines of any length.

Am I making any sense or does this sound REALLY dumb?
ty

2. Originally Posted by lime
Am I making any sense or does this sound REALLY dumb?
It sounds really dumb.

(I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, I wish I did).

3. Originally Posted by lime
this is an example of what i am talking about:

0----------1----------2---------3 these lines represent 1+1=2

by looking at numbers represented by lines it appears that 1+1 actually ends past 2 and at three. I know that 1+1=2 when we think of numbers as being a whole like two apples, but in reality when the second apple is added havent we completed two and reached three? I guess you could even contend that the apple is at its greatest amount in the middle and recedes as the apple is "completed".
Basically what I am asking is how is the beginning or end of a number decided on. The line i made and connected is something i just decided on but could obviously be different if someone else drew the lines of any length.

Am I making any sense or does this sound REALLY dumb?
ty
You have 1 dollar.

Someone gives you another dollar.

You now have 2 dollars.

Although the idea have haveing an infinite amount of money when someone gives you a buck is nice, it doesn't really work.

BTW they are not lines, they are segments and segments do not continue on...

4. well, thanks i had a feeling id get creamed for that question.

but where on you dollar did it equal one? at one edge or do you have to move across to the opposite edge? and, going left to right, if the left edge is the start of one doesn't the right edge mean that one is over? and what is in between one and two, by your reasoning one and two dollars are separate. is there a grand canyon between one and two?

okay so im dumb!

5. Originally Posted by lime
this is an example of what i am talking about:

0----------1----------2---------3 these lines represent 1+1=2

by looking at numbers represented by lines it appears that 1+1 actually ends past 2 and at three. I know that 1+1=2 when we think of numbers as being a whole like two apples, but in reality when the second apple is added havent we completed two and reached three? I guess you could even contend that the apple is at its greatest amount in the middle and recedes as the apple is "completed".
Basically what I am asking is how is the beginning or end of a number decided on. The line i made and connected is something i just decided on but could obviously be different if someone else drew the lines of any length.

Am I making any sense or does this sound REALLY dumb?
ty
1. No you are not really making any sense.

2. The number line when used with integers is just a device to demonstrate
some of the properties of numbers, it is in no way a definition of them.
The definition of intergers is usualy based on the idea of collections of
discrete objects (like apples), and placing these collections into one-to-one
relations with other collections.

3. Think of it this way if I am selling apples at $1 each and you bring me two apples would you be happy if I charged you$3?

RonL

6. Originally Posted by lime
well, thanks i had a feeling id get creamed for that question.

but where on you dollar did it equal one? at one edge or do you have to move across to the opposite edge? and, going left to right, if the left edge is the start of one doesn't the right edge mean that one is over? and what is in between one and two, by your reasoning one and two dollars are separate. is there a grand canyon between one and two?
When dealing with integers yes there is a grand canyon between one and
two. If you were talking about other kinds of numbers no there is not a gap
between 1 and 2 it is filled with fractions, or the real numbers depending
on what system we are working in.

But integers are used to enumerate discrete objects, and they only come
in discrete lumps and are not considered divisible as far as the integers are
concerned.

RonL

(remember in maths if you are finding a concept difficult to understand then
you are thinking about it in the wrong way - find a better way and it will
seem simple)

7. Originally Posted by ImPerfectHacker
It sounds really dumb.

(I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, I wish I did).
This is the Math Help Forum. The poster is confused about something and
it is our job to try to help them. Your post does not do that, and its net result
may be that lime goes away with a worse impressions of maths and maths-heads

Now it may turn out that lime is a troll, but you have to give them the
chance to prove that, not just assume it.

In many cases where a question is confused it is correct to ask for
clarification because it is obvious that the poster has a question that they
are summarising incompletely or confusingly, but not here it is the poster
who is confused and needs help.

In this case it would be better if you had nothing constructive to say that

RonL

There are no dumb question

8. This seems like something for the "philosophy" section, even though it really isn't

9. The only stupid question there is is the one that remains unasked.

That's my motto.

-Dan

10. Originally Posted by CaptainBlack

There are no dumb question

The purpose of my post was to say I cannot understand the question. But because the user added "was this dumb..." I took advantage of that against himself.