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    Functional equation

    Find all functions of R\to R with the property
    f(xf(x) + f(y)) = (f(x))^2 + y
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexmahone View Post
    Find all functions of R\to R with the property
    f(xf(x) + f(y)) = (f(x))^2 + y
    I might be barking up the wrong tree here but can't you apply f^{-1} to both sides and get x f(x) + f(y) = x f(x) + f^{-1}(y) .....?

    In which case the problem boils down to finding all functions such that f(y) = f^{-1}(y), that is, functions which are their own inverse ......

    Such functions are called involutions.
    Last edited by mr fantastic; October 18th 2008 at 05:36 AM. Reason: Added the involution business
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr fantastic View Post
    x f(x) + f(y) = x f(x) + f^{-1}(y)
    No, the RHS of this equation is incorrect.
    We do not know that f^{-1}(a+b)=f^{-1}(a)+f^{-1}(b)
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f(xf(x) + f(y)) = (f(x))^2 + y<br />

    f(xf(x)+f(y))-(f(x))^2=y

    (\sqrt{f(xf(x)+f(y)}+f(x))(\sqrt{f(xf(x)+f(y))}-f(x)=y

    Does this help in any way? I was thinking that somehow I could get the f(xf(x)+f(y)) to cancel out but I couldn't get it to work.

    The RHS can be multiplied by \frac{\sqrt{f(xf(x)+f(y))}-f(x)}{\sqrt{f(xf(x)+f(y)}-f(x)} to give:

    \sqrt{f(xf(x)+f(y)}+f(x)=\frac{y(\sqrt{f(xf(x)+f(y  ))}-f(x))}{f(xf(x)+f(y))-(f(x))^2}

    but I don't think that's helping.

    It's an interesting question. I hope someone here can solve it!

    EDIT: Perhaps you could try case analysis. When x=0:

    [MATh]f(f(y))=(f(0))^2+y[/tex]

    f(0) has an unknown value so it might not help. However, we have successfully eliminated a term which is beneficial!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexmahone View Post
    No, the RHS of this equation is incorrect.
    We do not know that f^{-1}(a+b)=f^{-1}(a)+f^{-1}(b)
    Hmmm ..... you're right.

    I know f(x) = x works (an involution, by the way). I haven't checked involutions of the form f(x) = (ax + b)/(cx + d), where there's a relationship between a, b, c, and d that I can't be bothered remembering .... might be worth a check.
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    I believe that in the case of f(0)=0 a function being an involution is a necessary but not sufficient criteria..
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexmahone View Post
    Find all functions of R\to R with the property
    f(xf(x) + f(y)) = (f(x))^2 + y
    1) f is onto. (it's actually one-to-one as well, but we don't need that!)

    Proof: let z \in \mathbb{R}. choose y=z-(f(0))^2. then: f(f(y))=(f(0))^2+y=z. \ \ \Box


    2) f(0)=0.

    Proof: by 1) there exists x \in \mathbb{R}: \ f(x)=0. thus: x=x+(f(x))^2=f(xf(x)+f(x))=f(0)=f(f(x))=(f(0))^2+x  . thus: f(0)=0. \ \ \Box


    3) f(x)=\pm x.

    Proof: we have: f(f(x))=(f(0))^2+x=x. thus: x^2=(f(f(x)))^2=f(f(x)f(f(x))+f(0))=f(xf(x))=(f(x)  )^2. thus: f(x)=\pm x. \ \ \Box
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