# Thread: For All Math Experts Here

1. ## For All Math Experts Here

1. This site is obviously not a tutoring site. What is the main goal of the MHF?

2. Why don't you (the math expert) here take time out to answer each question by providing solution steps?

For example: solve 3x = 15 for x.

To solve for x, we isolate x on one side of the linear equation. We can divide both sides by the coefficient of x. We can also multiply both sides by the reciprocal of the coefficient of x. In other words, solve each problem ONE STEP AT A TIME regardless of question and/or course.

3. Are you a math major?

4. Are you a math teacher or college professor?

5. Most math helpers here are really smart and gifted. So, in light of this talent, why on earth do you not work as a PAID TUTOR for Kaplan, Princeston, Sylvan Learning Center, Kumon, etc? If I had YOUR TALENT, I surely would not be working as a security guard.

2. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by harpazo

5. ..., why on earth do you not work as a PAID TUTOR for Kaplan, Princeston, Sylvan Learning Center, Kumon, etc? If I had YOUR TALENT, I surely would not be working as a security guard.

I don't like trying to have a discussion with someone
such as yourself who just made this unfounded
presumption about many of the math helpers on here.
Don't fill in with what you claim that we are not doing, just because
you have some void to fill with a judgmental opinion.

3. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by harpazo
1. This site is obviously not a tutoring site. What is the main goal of the MHF?

2. Why don't you (the math expert) here take time out to answer each question by providing solution steps?
For example: solve 3x = 15 for x.
To teach this simply ask what times three equals fifteen?

3. Are you a math major? YES

4. Are you a math teacher or college professor? YES
See above.

4. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by harpazo
1. This site is obviously not a tutoring site. What is the main goal of the MHF?
We don't have an actual mission statement or anything, but we are here to help people (not just students) learn Math.

Originally Posted by harpazo
2. Why don't you (the math expert) here take time out to answer each question by providing solution steps?
Sometimes we do. Sometimes we don't. I'm not going to (and never will) try to force a teaching method that the members here have to follow. However one of the best teaching methods is the "Socratic method" where you never just give an answer but ask leading questions. Most of the Helpers here work this way.

Originally Posted by harpazo
3. Are you a math major?
I hold a Master's degree in Quantum Field Theory. I've run across quite a bit of Math while working on it and I like to keep my hand in the teaching field.

Originally Posted by harpazo
4. Are you a math teacher or college professor?
I was a TA for a few courses and I have taught both at the College and High School levels in both Physics and Math.

Originally Posted by harpazo
5. Most math helpers here are really smart and gifted. So, in light of this talent, why on earth do you not work as a PAID TUTOR for Kaplan, Princeston, Sylvan Learning Center, Kumon, etc? If I had YOUR TALENT, I surely would not be working as a security guard.
Thank you. I agree, we do have quite a bit of talent here and I'm pleased to be part of this community. (I volunteer on a number of sites but I'm "home" here.) For myself I tried working with Tutor.com but when you are a paid teacher you have to teach the material their way, not your own. And besides, the best teachers/tutors really teach just because they love doing it. I think we get a better quality helper by volunteering our time rather than getting paid for it.

-Dan

5. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

>1. This site is obviously not a tutoring site. What is the main goal of the MHF?

Check the work done: not give solutions.

>2. Why don't you (the math expert) here take time out to answer each question by providing solution steps?
>For example: solve 3x = 15 for x.
>To solve for x, we isolate x on one side of the linear equation. We can divide both sides by the
>coefficient of x. We can also multiply both sides by the reciprocal of the coefficient of x.
>In other words, solve each problem ONE STEP AT A TIME regardless of question and/or course.

That's assumed to already been done during math classes.

>3. Are you a math major?

No. High School only.

>4. Are you a math teacher or college professor?

No.

>5. Most math helpers here are really smart and gifted. So, in light of this talent, why on
>earth do you not work as a PAID TUTOR for Kaplan, Princeston, Sylvan Learning Center,
>Kumon, etc? If I had YOUR TALENT, I surely would not be working as a security guard.

I'd say most of us are retired...and visit math sites to kill time!!

6. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by harpazo

1. This site is obviously not a tutoring site. What is the main goal of the MHF?
Not speaking for the site in general, but I'm here to lend a helping hand now and then.

2. Why don't you (the math expert) here take time out to answer each question by providing solution steps?

For example: solve 3x = 15 for x.

To solve for x, we isolate x on one side of the linear equation. We can divide both sides by the coefficient of x. We can also multiply both sides by the reciprocal of the coefficient of x. In other words, solve each problem ONE STEP AT A TIME regardless of question and/or course.
Sometimes I do, but not if I think it is a homework question where the student needs to think about it.

3. Are you a math major?
Yes. B.S., M.S., Ph.D.

4. Are you a math teacher or college professor?
Yes (was). Taught at A.S.U. for 45 years, now retired.

5. Most math helpers here are really smart and gifted. So, in light of this talent, why on earth do you not work as a PAID TUTOR for Kaplan, Princeston, Sylvan Learning Center, Kumon, etc? If I had YOUR TALENT, I surely would not be working as a security guard.
No shame in making a living as a security guard. If I was going to work part time as a paid tutor I wouldn't have retired in the first place. This site and other similar ones give a chance to help others, to practice LaTeX, and sometimes have interesting questions or topics I haven't thought about for a while.

7. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by harpazo

1. This site is obviously not a tutoring site. What is the main goal of the MHF?

2. Why don't you (the math expert) here take time out to answer each question by providing solution steps?

For example: solve 3x = 15 for x.

Most of the time, I try to lead the poster to the solution, after correcting any work they have shown, rather than do the problem for them. That's the best way to learn.

Some posters, not you Harpazo, want us to do their homework for them so they can get the credit. These are usually easy to spot and generally I give them no help at all.

There are heaps of other sites where you could find worked (and explained) solutions to problems such as "Solve 3x=15".

To solve for x, we isolate x on one side of the linear equation. We can divide both sides by the coefficient of x. We can also multiply both sides by the reciprocal of the coefficient of x. In other words, solve each problem ONE STEP AT A TIME regardless of question and/or course.

3. Are you a math major? Yes double major in mathematics and a degree in mathematics education

4. Are you a math teacher or college professor? Yes secondary teacher (semi-retired) and a bit of tertiary, now running PD for teachers in the new mathematics syllabus

5. Most math helpers here are really smart and gifted. So, in light of this talent, why on earth do you not work as a PAID TUTOR for Kaplan, Princeston, Sylvan Learning Center, Kumon, etc? If I had YOUR TALENT, I surely would not be working as a security guard.

.

8. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by greg1313
I don't like trying to have a discussion with someone
such as yourself who just made this unfounded
presumption about many of the math helpers on here.
Don't fill in with what you claim that we are not doing, just because
you have some void to fill with a judgmental opinion.
My questions are honest and to the point.

9. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by Plato
See above.
It would help me tremendously to get a detailed reply to my questions. You know, a guide along the way.

10. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by topsquark
We don't have an actual mission statement or anything, but we are here to help people (not just students) learn Math.

Sometimes we do. Sometimes we don't. I'm not going to (and never will) try to force a teaching method that the members here have to follow. However one of the best teaching methods is the "Socratic method" where you never just give an answer but ask leading questions. Most of the Helpers here work this way.

I hold a Master's degree in Quantum Field Theory. I've run across quite a bit of Math while working on it and I like to keep my hand in the teaching field.

I was a TA for a few courses and I have taught both at the College and High School levels in both Physics and Math.

Thank you. I agree, we do have quite a bit of talent here and I'm pleased to be part of this community. (I volunteer on a number of sites but I'm "home" here.) For myself I tried working with Tutor.com but when you are a paid teacher you have to teach the material their way, not your own. And besides, the best teachers/tutors really teach just because they love doing it. I think we get a better quality helper by volunteering our time rather than getting paid for it.

-Dan
I do understand what you're saying. If I had your talent, security guard work becomes history in a heart beat.

11. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by Debsta
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12. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by harpazo
My questions are honest and to the point.
So!? What do those matter when they are not sufficient? Just for the fifth question alone, I explained how it is inappropriate and illogical. It is even more troubling that it did not register
publicly with you, and you did not reply/acknowledge that that your reasoning is wrong.
I see you looking at people walking from a far distance and scolding
them, "Why can't any of you chew gum at the same time!?" Don't accuse
people of actions without good evidence.

13. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by harpazo

1. This site is obviously not a tutoring site. What is the main goal of the MHF?
I imagine the goal of this site is pretty much the same as most online math help forums...to provide students (anyone wanting to learn for whatever reason) with help. Most online math helpers want the person asking the question to be invovled in the process of solving the problem, to show their work in order to be able to determine what is preventing them from solving the problem, and to be able to provide better help tailored to their needs. Most, myself included, do not feel it is very much help to simply provide a complete solution. A wise man once said, "If your tutor's pen is on the paper more than yours, it's time to find a new tutor."

Originally Posted by harpazo
2. Why don't you (the math expert) here take time out to answer each question by providing solution steps?

For example: solve 3x = 15 for x.

To solve for x, we isolate x on one side of the linear equation. We can divide both sides by the coefficient of x. We can also multiply both sides by the reciprocal of the coefficient of x. In other words, solve each problem ONE STEP AT A TIME regardless of question and/or course.
Each of us has our own style of providing help. It is simply too time consuming to assume the student knows nothing and every single step has to be explained in excruciating detail. If I am helping someone with an ordinary differential equation, then I am going to rightly assume the student understands basic differentiation/integration, and I won't take the time to explain how to apply that to the problem. We have to be able to assume a certain prerequisite knowledge on the part of the student.

Originally Posted by harpazo
3. Are you a math major?
Yes, I majored in computer science and mathematics.

Originally Posted by harpazo
4. Are you a math teacher or college professor?
No.

Originally Posted by harpazo
5. Most math helpers here are really smart and gifted. So, in light of this talent, why on earth do you not work as a PAID TUTOR for Kaplan, Princeston, Sylvan Learning Center, Kumon, etc? If I had YOUR TALENT, I surely would not be working as a security guard.

I enjoy doing this as a hobby. It is my own small way of trying to leave the world a better place than I found it.

14. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by MarkFL
I imagine the goal of this site is pretty much the same as most online math help forums...to provide students (anyone wanting to learn for whatever reason) with help. Most online math helpers want the person asking the question to be invovled in the process of solving the problem, to show their work in order to be able to determine what is preventing them from solving the problem, and to be able to provide better help tailored to their needs. Most, myself included, do not feel it is very much help to simply provide a complete solution. A wise man once said, "If your tutor's pen is on the paper more than yours, it's time to find a new tutor."

Each of us has our own style of providing help. It is simply too time consuming to assume the student knows nothing and every single step has to be explained in excruciating detail. If I am helping someone with an ordinary differential equation, then I am going to rightly assume the student understands basic differentiation/integration, and I won't take the time to explain how to apply that to the problem. We have to be able to assume a certain prerequisite knowledge on the part of the student.

Yes, I majored in computer science and mathematics.

No.

I enjoy doing this as a hobby. It is my own small way of trying to leave the world a better place than I found it.
Glad to know you are back here. How are you? How is Jason's site coming along?

15. ## Re: For All Math Experts Here

Originally Posted by harpazo
Glad to know you are back here. How are you? How is Jason's site coming along?
I've been around, I just haven't been around at the right time to catch any questions before they've already gotten replies. A couple of days ago, Jason apparently pulled the plug on the site without a word to anyone, and he isn't responding to emails either. I'm not sure what happened.

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