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    Mathematics (004) Test for NYS Teachers

    Please, visit the link below. Click on Mathematics (004).
    This is one of the exams NY state math teachers must pass to teach math for grades 9-12.

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    Believe it or not, many people fail the Mathematics (004) exam, including people with a math degree. Why would anyone having a four-year degree or graduate degree in math fail this exam over and over again?

    Can it be that the test is totally unfair? I plan to take this test not to be a math teacher but to prove something to myself. Please visit the above link and tell me your opinion and/or view of this test for math teacher candidates. What is the best way to prepare for this test? Thank you very much.
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    Re: Mathematics (004) Test for NYS Teachers

    I looked at the test 004. This is a sample test. How many questions there are in the actual test. How much time is given for the test. Are the candidates well prepared at college to address that kind of a test. What are the criteria to pass that test. As to the fairness of the test it is difficult to make an assesment from afar.

    The best way to prepare for math test is always, solve, solve and again as many problems as you will need to answer this tipe of question with as fast as possible.
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    Re: Mathematics (004) Test for NYS Teachers

    I agree but there are too many "math people" who cannot pass this test for teacher certification. There is an answer. It is a huge mistake to assume that because someone has a math degree that there is no need to study and prepare. Your view?
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    Re: Mathematics (004) Test for NYS Teachers

    Quote Originally Posted by nycmath View Post
    I agree but there are too many "math people" who cannot pass this test for teacher certification. There is an answer. It is a huge mistake to assume that because someone has a math degree that there is no need to study and prepare. Your view?
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    The problem in my state, I don't know how it applies to NY, people graduate from college with little more than "take notice" material. There is no stress on problem solving, much less on intensive problem solving, which is the pillar of becoming a mathematician. I don't want to be derogatory but this is a fact of life here. I have encountered high school math teachers, certified by the state, their knowledge of the subject they were teaching is a hair thin better than rudimentary. I don't want to miss a comment about their English either and English is their native language; mine is the third and it is picked up. I haven't taken any course in English. If I write correctly I don't know why it is so, and if I write incorrectly I don't know why it is so either.

    The NY math test for becoming a high school math teacher at first sight appears to me reasonable. But again I don't know how many questions for how many minutes and how well the candidates were prepared to take that kind of test.

    I have the impression that the administrators are aware of the uncertain preparedness of college graduates. They don't trust their diploma. They created those certification tests.

    I was following the worldwide testing in math, science and history and geography. Initially started by Ford Foundations and National geographic. American students ranked consistently at the bottom since the 90's. There aren’t many good teachers, no good books, save that most textbooks are written by writers not by authors. There is no liability. I was asked to review a couple of books in algebra and in physical science but I refused to spend time writing reports for free pointing out what needs to be improved. The publishers make big money out of the books.

    We cannot change the world, but we could add our input in math forums like this one to improve the math knowledge and skills to our students.
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    Re: Mathematics (004) Test for NYS Teachers

    Votan,

    I agree that school administrators do not trust diplomas, especially if a student went through the public school system. I think certification exams are made for three reasons. (1) To make money from the thousands of people who need certification for full-time employment. (2) To weed out the amount of applicants applying for jobs. (3) To discriminate against certain member of society whose academic background is not beyond the basics.
    I also believe that passing an exam does not mean a person can do the job successfully. What are your thoughts?
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