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    Limit of the quotient of two sequences

    Let a_n,b_n be two sequences verifying that a_n=\int_{\frac1{n+1}}^{\frac1n}\arcsin(nx)\,dx and b_n=\int_{\frac1{n+1}}^{\frac1n}\arctan(nx)\,dx. Compute \frac{a_n}{b_n} as n\longrightarrow\infty.

    Note: you can't use the MVT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krizalid View Post
    Let a_n,b_n be two sequences verifying that a_n=\int_{\frac1{n+1}}^{\frac1n}\arcsin(nx)\,dx and b_n=\int_{\frac1{n+1}}^{\frac1n}\arctan(nx)\,dx. Compute \frac{a_n}{b_n} as n\longrightarrow\infty.

    Note: you can't use the MVT.
    You can get the result easily using L'Hospital's Rule (of course, do a simple transformation first), which is 2.
    Last edited by mr fantastic; September 18th 2009 at 08:44 AM. Reason: Restored original reply
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    You said it, easily, and yes, that's the answer.

    But that's quite boring!! That's why I posted the problem here! Try it without those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krizalid View Post
    You said it, easily, and yes, that's the answer.

    But that's quite boring!! That's why I posted the problem here! Try it without those things.
    Are you going to use something simple like the squeeze theorem or something more complicated? haha
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    when  n \to \infty ,

    can we say the integral  a_n = \arcsin(n/n) \delta x and  b_n = \arctan(n/n) \delta x

    thus the limit is  \frac{ \arcsin(1)}{\arctan(1)} = 2 ?

    In fact , we are able to evaluate those integrals no matter what the up. and low. limit are .
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    Let f:\left[\frac{1}{n+1},\frac{1}{n}\right]\to\mathbb{R}, \ f(x)=\arcsin(nx).

    f is strictly increasing. Then

    \frac{1}{n+1}\leq x\leq\frac{1}{n}\Rightarrow\arcsin\frac{n}{n+1}\le  q\arcsin(nx)\leq\frac{\pi}{2}\Rightarrow

    \Rightarrow\frac{1}{n(n+1)}\arcsin\frac{n}{n+1}\le  q a_n\leq\frac{\pi}{2n(n+1)} (1)

    Let g:\left[\frac{1}{n+1},\frac{1}{n}\right]\to\mathbb{R}, \ g(x)=\arctan(nx).

    g is strictly increasing. Then

    \frac{1}{n+1}\leq x\leq\frac{1}{n}\Rightarrow\arctan\frac{n}{n+1}\le  q\arctan(nx)\leq\frac{\pi}{4}\Rightarrow

    \Rightarrow\frac{1}{n(n+1)}\arctan\frac{n}{n+1}\le  q b_n\leq\frac{\pi}{4n(n+1)}\Rightarrow

    \Rightarrow\frac{4n(n+1)}{\pi}\leq\frac{1}{b_n}\le  q\frac{n(n+1)}{\arctan\frac{n}{n+1}} (2)

    Multiply inequalities (1) and (2):

    \frac{4\arcsin\frac{n}{n+1}}{\pi}\leq\frac{a_n}{b_  n}\leq\frac{\pi}{2\arctan\frac{n}{n+1}}

    Now apply limit as n\to\infty and we get \lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{a_n}{b_n}=2
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    Quote Originally Posted by red_dog View Post
    Let f:\left[\frac{1}{n+1},\frac{1}{n}\right]\to\mathbb{R}, \ f(x)=\arcsin(nx).

    f is strictly increasing. Then

    \frac{1}{n+1}\leq x\leq\frac{1}{n}\Rightarrow\arcsin\frac{n}{n+1}\le q\arcsin(nx)\leq\frac{\pi}{2}\Rightarrow

    \Rightarrow\frac{1}{n(n+1)}\arcsin\frac{n}{n+1}\le q a_n\leq\frac{\pi}{2n(n+1)} (1)

    Let g:\left[\frac{1}{n+1},\frac{1}{n}\right]\to\mathbb{R}, \ g(x)=\arctan(nx).

    g is strictly increasing. Then

    \frac{1}{n+1}\leq x\leq\frac{1}{n}\Rightarrow\arctan\frac{n}{n+1}\le q\arctan(nx)\leq\frac{\pi}{4}\Rightarrow

    \Rightarrow\frac{1}{n(n+1)}\arctan\frac{n}{n+1}\le q b_n\leq\frac{\pi}{4n(n+1)}\Rightarrow

    \Rightarrow\frac{4n(n+1)}{\pi}\leq\frac{1}{b_n}\le q\frac{n(n+1)}{\arctan\frac{n}{n+1}} (2)

    Multiply inequalities (1) and (2):

    \frac{4\arcsin\frac{n}{n+1}}{\pi}\leq\frac{a_n}{b_ n}\leq\frac{\pi}{2\arctan\frac{n}{n+1}}

    Now apply limit as n\to\infty and we get \lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{a_n}{b_n}=2
    nice job! essentially the squeeze theorem.
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    That's nice, different solutions.

    I still have a different one, I'll post it when I get back home.
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    I did that in my head...took 2.3333... seconds;
    but I forgot how
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    As promised:

    Put a_n=\frac1n\int_{1-\frac1{n+1}}^1f and suppose that f is continuous at x=1. We have n^{2}a_{n}=n\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{f}=\frac{n}{n+1}\cdot (n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{f}, so let's prove that (n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{f}\longrightarrow f(1) as n\longrightarrow\infty.

    Note that is (n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{f}=(n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{f(1)\,dx}+(n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{\big(f(x)-f(1)\big)\,dx}, and besides given \epsilon>0 we have

    \begin{aligned}\left| (n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{f}-f(1) \right|&\le(n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{\big|f(x)-f(1)\big|\,dx} \\ & <(n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{\epsilon\,dx} \\ & =\epsilon. \quad\blacksquare\end{aligned}

    Hence \underset{n\to \infty }{\mathop{\lim }}\,n^{2}a_{n}=\underset{n\to \infty }{\mathop{\lim }}\,\frac{n}{n+1}\cdot (n+1)\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{f}=1\cdot f(1)=f(1).

    Finally, on a_n put x\longmapsto\frac xn and we'll get a_{n}=\frac{1}{n}\int_{1-\frac{1}{n+1}}^{1}{\arcsin(x)\,dx}, in the same fashion for b_n, thus \underset{n\to \infty }{\mathop{\lim }}\,\frac{a_{n}}{b_{n}}=\underset{n\to \infty }{\mathop{\lim }}\,\frac{n^{2}a_{n}}{n^{2}b_{n}}=\frac{\pi }{2}\cdot \frac{4}{\pi }=2.
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    Define
    <br />
F(x)=\int_0^x f(t) \ dt<br />

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f(1)=F'(1)=\lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{F(1)-F(\frac{n}{n+1})}{1-\frac{n}{n+1}}=\lim_{n\to\infty} (n+1)\int_{\frac{n}{n+1}}^{1}{f(x)}\;dx =\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{n+1}{n} \cdot \lim_{n\to\infty} n\int_{\frac{n}{n+1}}^{1}{f(x)}\;dx=\lim_{n\to\inf ty} n\int_{\frac{n}{n+1}}^{1}{f(x)}\;dx<br />
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    Summary, the following methods have been used:
    (1) Mean-value Theorem (not allowed here);
    (2) L'Hospital's Rule;
    (3) Squeeze Theorem;
    (4) Definition of Limit;
    (5) Definition of Derivative;
    (6) .....?
    Last edited by mr fantastic; September 18th 2009 at 08:48 AM. Reason: Restored original reply
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