Prove or disprove :

Theset of limit points of an uncountable set of real numbers is uncountable .

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- April 19th 2010, 07:14 PMBruno J.Cardinality 2
Prove or disprove :

*The**set of limit points of a**n uncountable set of real numbers is uncountable .*

- April 19th 2010, 08:16 PMDrexel28
This is easier said in more general terms.

Lemma: If is second countable and is covered by then omits a countable subcover .

Proof:Call the countable open base . For each there exists some set such that . But, we have that there exists some such that . Clearly then the collection covers and is countable. Taking an which contains for each finishes the argument.

Now we can prove the problem at hand.

Let be second countable and uncountable, then is uncountable.

Assume not. Then, is countable and so is uncountable. But, since each point is in particular not a limit point of there exists a neighborhood such that . Clearly the class is an open cover for and so by the lemma it must admit a finite subcover . But, but since each is a singleton it follows that is countable Contradiction.

Your problem is a corollary since is a dense subset of and every separable metric space is second countable. - April 19th 2010, 08:40 PMBruno J.
That doesn't work! (I thought you had it for a sec, I even wrote a post congratulating you :))

Removing the limit points from a set does not mean the resulting set has no limit points! - April 19th 2010, 09:04 PMDrexel28
- April 19th 2010, 09:11 PMDrexel28
- April 19th 2010, 09:17 PMBruno J.
Figured it out just too late :)

Thanks for the proof, I'll give it the attention which it deserves when I'm not dead tired! Exams begin tomorrow.

(After all, what you had written before worked also. Why did you remove it? Every point of is an isolated point, and so has the cardinality of a collection of disjoint open sets, which is countable.) - April 19th 2010, 09:20 PMDrexel28
Because the needn't be disjoint. I was being stupid. Clearly they can intersect but they cannot contain each other. For example could be two of the sets if [math[\frac{1}{2},2\in E[/tex] since they're intersection with could easily be a singleton but they aren't disjoint.

- April 19th 2010, 09:26 PMBruno J.
Right - but taking them small enough?

Haha I really have to hit the bunk. 'Nite! - April 19th 2010, 10:06 PMDrexel28