Hi everybody,

I could not solve the following problem.

Look at the attachment.

It is not homework.

I need it to solve another problem.

I did not succeed so I hope that you will.

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- Feb 17th 2013, 10:19 AMMouhahaSector of circle radius and areas
Hi everybody,

I could not solve the following problem.

Look at the attachment.

It is not homework.

I need it to solve another problem.

I did not succeed so I hope that you will. - Feb 17th 2013, 06:47 PMMouhahaRe: Sector of circle radius and areas
It seems that it is very hard problem.

So for now I abandon. - Feb 17th 2013, 07:20 PMMacstersUndeadRe: Sector of circle radius and areas
(given) Area ABCD = Area CDEF - Area OEF = Area OCD - Area OEF - Area OEF = Area OCD - 2 Area OEF = (y^2)(a/2) - 2(x^2)(a/2)

(derived) Area ABCD = Area OAB - Area OCD = (r^2)(a/2) - (y^2)(a/2)

Hence

(y^2)(a/2) - 2(x^2)(a/2) = (r^2)(a/2) - (y^2)(a/2)

2(y^2 - x^2) = r^2

y^2 - x^2 = (r^2)/2

If x and y are integers, then the difference of squares is an integer, so r^2/2 is an integer, say n.

EDIT:

(r^2)/2 = (r/sqrt(2))^2

Hence

(r/sqrt(2))^2 + x^2 = y^2 and hence (r/sqrt(2),x,y) would be a Pythagorean triplet.

that's all I have so far, but I hope that helps a little. my intuition says it's impossible, so I would continue down this line of reasoning to find a contradiction. - Feb 18th 2013, 05:46 AMMouhahaRe: Sector of circle radius and areas
Thank you very much.

You gave me little hope.

If we can not find x and y we could at least bound it.

Here is my idea :

The area CDEF is always equal to area ABCD + area OEF.

We have to find DF such as DF = OF+DB

The value of computed DF then will give us an upper bound for y-x

Am I right? - Feb 18th 2013, 12:07 PMMouhahaRe: Sector of circle radius and areas
Another idea comes to my mind.

We could find :

- an upper bound (or lower?) to y-x by assuming that the area OEF goes to zero

- and lower bound (or upper?) to y-x by assuming that the area ABCD goes to zero.

So lower bound <(y-x)< upper bound.

Is it easy to compute? - Feb 18th 2013, 11:05 PMMacstersUndeadRe: Sector of circle radius and areas
I do like that idea of boundedness and considering the difference to find either a contradiction or a bound.

Suppose $\displaystyle y-x = M$ for some positive integer M.

then $\displaystyle y^2 - x^2 = (M+x)^2 - x^2 = M^2 + 2Mx = \frac{r^2}{2}$

then $\displaystyle x=\frac{r^2-2M^2}{4M}$ and $\displaystyle y = \frac{r^2+2M^2}{4M}$

and since x and y are integers $\displaystyle 4M$ must divide both $\displaystyle r^2-2M^2$ and $\displaystyle r^2+2M^2$

Recall that if (ab) divides c, then a divides c, so 4 must divide both $\displaystyle r^2-2M^2$ and $\displaystyle r^2+2M^2$

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so $\displaystyle r^2-2M^2 = 4k$ for some integer k and $\displaystyle r^2+2M^2=4m$ for some integer m.

If k = m then M = 0. If m < k then $\displaystyle r^2+2M^2 < r^2 - 2M^2$, a contradiction.

If k < m $\displaystyle r^2 - 2M^2 < r^2 + 2M^2$

so now I would investigate the case of k<m, but I might just be complicating things or made a mistake. interesting problem though. I also considered looking at the problem when a = 360 degrees.