Show that argument form with premises

(p ^ t) --> (r v s),

q --> ( u ^ t),

u --> p,

negation ~s

end up with conclusion q --> r

by using rules of inference

Thank you

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- September 26th 2008, 10:37 AMjustin016please help
Show that argument form with premises

(p ^ t) --> (r v s),

q --> ( u ^ t),

u --> p,

negation ~s

end up with conclusion q --> r

by using rules of inference

Thank you - September 26th 2008, 10:46 AMJhevon
- September 26th 2008, 10:55 AMjustin016
i just want to know how would you form these arguments, and end up with

q --> r

I know how to do it with the basic ones with 1 principle say " p --> q, q, end up with p"

However, I am little confused with 2 or more principles within an arguments say " (p ^ t) --> ( r v s)"

How do i simplify something like this? - September 26th 2008, 11:16 AMJhevon
- September 26th 2008, 11:38 AMjustin016
how did you get from

(p ^ t) --> (r v s)

to

q --> ( u ^ t)

i know this is the hypothetical syllogism, but it doesnt make any sense that

( r v s) turn into q - September 26th 2008, 12:48 PMPlato
- September 26th 2008, 04:52 PMJhevon
- September 26th 2008, 05:21 PMjustin016
Pardon my ignorant of this stuff. This is my first time doing these

Like i said, I understand the basic function of inference rules, but

something like this (p ^ t) --> ( r v s) confuses me . What should i do with 1? - September 26th 2008, 05:24 PMJhevon
you can think of it in terms of compound statements. it is like the rule for Modus Ponens except you have (p ^ t) for p and (r v s) for q. get to (p ^ t) which will imply (r v s) by M.P. then try to get to r from (r v s). once you get r, you are done

but we are no where near that as yet. for now, we know 6 statements. what can you do with them to get to (p ^ t) ? - September 26th 2008, 06:17 PMjustin016
oh okay, thank you that cleared up a lot. All i have to do is to get ( r v s ) be itself by using Modus ponens on ( p ^ t), then use disjunctive syllogism of

( r v s)

--s

to get r - September 26th 2008, 06:26 PMJhevon
- September 26th 2008, 07:23 PMjustin016
why do you want to get ( p ^ t)?

Can i use M.P implying ( r v s) to get (p ^ t), but isnt that illegal? - September 26th 2008, 07:26 PMJhevon
why assume (r v s)?

first of all, we want to get to r, going from (r v s) to (p ^ t) makes no sense, you are going in the wrong direction. if you have r, stick with it. but it is not enough to assume you have r. you must show that you have r by assuming q. remember, we want to show q => r, so we want to start at q and get r. that is your objective. stay focused. secondly, logically you are going in the wrong direction. we have (p ^ t) => (r v s) NOT (r v s) => (p ^ t), so your line 8 does not follow by M.P. it violates the implication - September 26th 2008, 07:54 PMJhevon
- September 29th 2008, 01:18 PMJhevon