Can someone help me with proving the following simple relationship:

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- January 7th 2008, 11:59 AMDMTProof of closure relationship
Can someone help me with proving the following simple relationship:

- January 7th 2008, 12:30 PMPlato
If then for some open set.

But any open set that contains*x*must also contain a point of*A*because*x*is in the closure of*A*.

Now if*Q*is any open set containing*x*then is also open and as such must contain a point of .

Can you finish now. - January 7th 2008, 01:05 PMDMT
I think I solved it, but I did it differently, and I don't follow some of your explanation. But maybe I'm confused about something ... do elements of a set have to be either limit points or interior points? This seems to be implied in your explanation, but I thought this wasn't true? (for example the set of natural numbers in the usual topology of Reals).

As I understand it the closure is the union of a set and it's derived set:

So that your second statement about any open set containing x also containing another point of A doesn't make sense to me ... unless you didn't mean "another" point, but included the possibility of x itself?

I solved it like this. First I changed it to the equivalent:

If then ...

I just realized an error with what I was doing ... I wanted to write next:

or

But I see now I can't directly rule out or

And I'm concerned that my derived set equality above is not accurate, though it seemed straightforward a moment ago. I can at least show:

Though that goes the wrong direction, so I would need equality.

Well, now I've managed to thoroughly confuse myself, so I think I better take a closer look at your method. - January 8th 2008, 01:37 AMDMT
I think I got this one now. Either x is in A or A´, if it is in A, then you get directly A\B, otherwise you get (A\B)´ (since there has to be another point of A\B in the open set) ... but it seems to be the introduction of Q was not necessary ... I don't see what this adds. The first open set seems to work fine by itself.