# Math Help - for all quantifier

1. ## for all quantifier

Hello

A is a formula with variables x and y. What is the difference between

$\forall$ (x,y) A

$\forall$(x) $\forall$(y)A

Thank you...

2. ## Re: for all quantifier

Unless there's some special context in mind, I'd take them both as the same.

[Here using 'A' for the quantifier in ASCII:]

AxAyP

AxyP

some people write

(x)(y)P

They all mean the same.

3. ## Re: for all quantifier

What makes you think that there is a difference?
Can you come up with any examples where they wouldn't be the same?

4. ## Re: for all quantifier

If $\mathcal{L}$ is a first order language with variable letters $x,y,\ldots$ then, $(\forall x)(\forall y)A$ is a well formed formula and $(\forall (x,y))A$ it is not. We can of course use $(\forall (x,y))A$ as an alternative notation for $(\forall x)(\forall y)A$ .

5. ## Re: for all quantifier

I'd rather avoid the clutter of parenethess. It's enough to have

AxAyP

And then to allow that to be indicated by

AxyP

6. ## Re: for all quantifier

Thank you all for your replies .