# Thread: Solving equation with parts of a sum and a sum

1. ## Solving equation with parts of a sum and a sum

Is it possible to solve any of these equations and thus find $\Delta x_{n}$ or $\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}$?

Define

$\Delta x_{0}=V\frac{l}{v_{0}}$

and

$\Delta x_{1}=V\frac{l-\Delta x_{0}}{v_{0}+V}$

and

$\Delta x_{n+1}=V\frac{l-\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}$.

Since $V\ll v_{0}$ this can be simplified(?) to

$\Delta x_{n+1}-\Delta x_{n}=\frac{V \Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}$.

Maybe this euation is easier to solve. I cannot get any further.

2. ## Re: Solving equation with parts of a sum and a sum

Recurrence relations can sometimes be solved using a $Z$ transform.

3. ## Re: Solving equation with parts of a sum and a sum

Originally Posted by fysikbengt
Is it possible to solve any of these equations and thus find $\Delta x_{n}$ or $\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}$?

Define

$\Delta x_{0}=V\frac{l}{v_{0}}$

and

$\Delta x_{1}=V\frac{l-\Delta x_{0}}{v_{0}+V}$

and

$\Delta x_{n+1}=V\frac{l-\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}$.

Since $V\ll v_{0}$ this can be simplified(?) to

$\Delta x_{n+1}-\Delta x_{n}=\frac{V \Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}$.

Maybe this euation is easier to solve. I cannot get any further.
Dear fysikbengt,

$\Delta x_{n+1}=V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)$

Therefore, $\Delta x_{n}=V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n-1}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+(n-1)V}\right)$

$\Delta x_{n+1}-\Delta x_{n}=V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)-V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n-1}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+(n-1)V}\right)$

Since, $V< $v_0+nV\approx{v_0+(n-1)V}$

$\Delta x_{n+1}-\Delta x_{n}=V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)-V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n-1}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)=-\left(\frac{V \Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)$

So I think you should have a the minus sign for your last expression.

4. ## Re: Solving equation with parts of a sum and a sum

Originally Posted by Sudharaka
Dear fysikbengt,

$\Delta x_{n+1}=V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)$

Therefore, $\Delta x_{n}=V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n-1}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+(n-1)V}\right)$

$\Delta x_{n+1}-\Delta x_{n}=V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)-V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n-1}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+(n-1)V}\right)$

Since, $V< $v_0+nV\approx{v_0+(n-1)V}$

$\Delta x_{n+1}-\Delta x_{n}=V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)-V\left(\frac{l-\displaystyle\sum_{0}^{n-1}\Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)=-\left(\frac{V \Delta x_{n}}{v_{0}+nV}\right)$

So I think you should have a the minus sign for your last expression.
Yes, of course the relation is convergent. The minus sign is there in my notes, it is a typo. Thanks for noticing.

5. ## Re: Solving equation with parts of a sum and a sum

Originally Posted by ojones
Recurrence relations can sometimes be solved using a $Z$ transform.
I tried to study $Z$ transforms and realised it is a full field not easily mastered. I have even forgot most of what I have read about Fourier transforms. So, I might just as well give up. This is not about laziness I hope.