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    Help with venn diagrams/sets word problem

    A survey of 225 adults found that during the last year, 45 traveled by plane but not by train, 70 traveled by train but not by plane, 20 traveled by bus but not by plane or by train, 45 traveled by bus and plane, 20 traveled by all three, and 165 traveled by plane or train. How many did not travel by any of these modes of transportation?

    I'm a little confused here, I tried mapping it out in a venn diagram but it got pretty messy. The wording is a little confusing. Can someone help me solve this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zweevu View Post
    A survey of 225 adults found that during the last year, 45 traveled by plane but not by train, 70 traveled by train but not by plane, 20 traveled by bus but not by plane or by train, 45 traveled by bus and plane, 20 traveled by all three, and 165 traveled by plane or train. How many did not travel by any of these modes of transportation?

    I'm a little confused here, I tried mapping it out in a venn diagram but it got pretty messy. The wording is a little confusing. Can someone help me solve this?
    if you draw your Venn diagram with T=train, P=plane, B=bus

    T\cap P\cap B=20

    B\ less\ (T\cup P)=20

    (P\cap B)\ less\ T=25

    P\ less\ (T\cup B)=20

    Label the other 3 subsets X=T only, Y=(T Union B) less P, Z=(P Union T) less B

    Then X+Y=70
    165=20+20+25+X+Y+Z=65+X+Y+Z

    100=X+Y+Z

    Then Z=30 and the others follow.
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    First step is to place 20 in the intersection of all three.

    Next, 20 travelled by bus, but not by plane or train.
    Place 20 in the bus only subset.

    Next, 45 travelled by bus and plane is the intersection of "b" and "p".
    This consists of two subsets. The first is the intersection of all three,
    the second is the intersection of "b" and "p" that excludes "t".

    Therefore (p\cap b)\ without\ t=45-20=25

    Next, 45 travelled by plane but not by train.
    This means we can find the number who travelled only by plane,
    since we have the numbers who used all 3 modes of travel
    and we also have the number who travelled by "bus and plane" only.

    Therefore p\ without\ t=45

    p\ without\ (t\cup b)=45-25=20

    Four subsets have been filled in.
    The others can be labelled X, Y, Z.

    In finding Z, use the two clues

    X+Y=70

    20+20+25+X+Y+Z=165

    Hence, this gives Z=30

    X and Y do not need to be found, since we have their sum.

    Finally,

    225-(X+Y+Z+20+20+20+25)=225-(70+30+20+20+20+25)=225-185=40
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    Re: Help with venn diagrams/sets word problem

    I have an almost exactly similar problem that is "A survey of 245 adults found that during the last year, 70 traveled by plane but not by train, 70 traveled by train but not by plane, 25 traveled by bus but not by plane or by train, 55 traveled by bus and plane, 30 traveled by all three, and 195 traveled by plane or train. How many did not travel by any of these modes of transportation?". I continually come out to the answer 20 but it says it is wrong. Can anyone show me what I may be doing wrong please?
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    Re: Help with venn diagrams/sets word problem

    This is due sunday so any help before then is really appreciated
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    Re: Help with venn diagrams/sets word problem

    I get 25 as the answer. Can you show us how you got your answer, please?


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    Re: Help with venn diagrams/sets word problem

    I figured it out thank you. I kept on getting it wrong because I was not using the correct 3 values when determining z. Thank you for your help anyways!
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