Re: Fourier transform and orthogonal system
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CaptainBlack
Your

is

under my assumption about the unspecified index set for the

s
I don't understand that. The OP's
is given by
My f is given by
They are orthogonal to each other.
Re: Fourier transform and orthogonal system
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Opalg
I don't understand that. The OP's

is given by
My f is given by
They are orthogonal to each other.
I'm lost,
is in
but arn't you looking for a
function not expressible in terms of these functions?
CB
Re: Fourier transform and orthogonal system
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CaptainBlack
I'm lost,
)
is in

but arn't you looking for a

function not expressible in terms of these functions?
Sorry to keep harping on about this. There was a typo (now corrected) in my previous comment, which made nonsense of it. What I should have said is
The difference is that
has a 1 in its definition where
has an x.
Re: Fourier transform and orthogonal system
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Opalg
Sorry to keep harping on about this. There was a typo (now corrected) in my previous comment, which made nonsense of it. What I should have said is
The difference is that
)
has a 1 in its definition where
)
has an x.
OK that makes sense, I still prefer
, which is obviously not in the space spanned by the
(though not orthogonal to
) and does not require any great though to take the FT of.
CB
Re: Fourier transform and orthogonal system
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Opalg
For (b), I would start by taking f to be a function in
)
that is orthogonal to all the functions

. For example,
Parseval's theorem then tells you that

is orthogonal to all the functions

.
Parseval's Theorem: An orthonormal sequence {xn} in H is complete iff:
llxll^2 = (sum n=1 to inf) l(x,xn)l^2.. for every x in H.
Using your premise above, how does Parseval's theorem tell you
is incomplete? ie, how do you show "
is orthogonal to all the functions
"
Re: Fourier transform and orthogonal system
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Hartlw
Parseval's Theorem: An orthonormal sequence {xn} in H is complete iff:
llxll^2 = (sum n=1 to inf) l(x,xn)l^2.. for every x in H.
Using your premise above, how does Parseval's theorem tell you

is incomplete? ie, how do you show "

is orthogonal to all the functions

"
There is more than one result that carries Parseval's name. The result that you state as Parseval's Theorem is what I call Parseval's Identity. For me, Parseval's Theorem is the result which says that if f, g are functions in
with Fourier transforms
then 
It follows that if you have a (nonzero) function
such that
for all n, then
for all n.
Re: Fourier transform and orthogonal system
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Opalg
There is more than one result that carries Parseval's name. The result that you state as Parseval's Theorem is what I call Parseval's Identity. For me, Parseval's Theorem is the result which says that if f, g are functions in
)
with Fourier transforms

then
It follows that if you have a (nonzero) function
)
such that

for all n, then

for all n.
That wraps it up. Thanks, very nice.
I note belatedly that f is given by you in post #3, which also invokes Parseval's theorem.
The theorem that if (
,
) = 0 for all n and some
not zero implies
is incomplete, might help the novice.
Finally, I found many versions of Parsevals theorem, with various (formula, theorem, identity) interchanged names, including for Fourier Series and one that states the Fourier transform is bijective, but none with your version. Could you please give a source for your version, preferably internet?
Re: Fourier transform and orthogonal system
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Hartlw
That wraps it up. Thanks, very nice.
I note belatedly that f is given by you in post #3, which also invokes Parseval's theorem.
The theorem that if (

,

) = 0 for all n and some

not zero implies

is incomplete, might help the novice.
Finally, I found many versions of Parsevals theorem, with various (formula, theorem, identity) interchanged names, including for Fourier Series and one that states the Fourier transform is bijective, but none with your version. Could you please give a source for your version, preferably internet?
Parseval's theorem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (see especially the section headed Equivalence of the norm and inner product forms.