Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

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December 11th 2011, 09:24 AM
younhock

Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

Suppose i have f is an odd function.
How to show that $\int_{[-\pi,\pi]} f(x)$ =0 ?
December 11th 2011, 09:35 AM
chisigma

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

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Originally Posted by younhock

Suppose i have f is an odd function.
How to show that $\int_{[-\pi,\pi]} f(x)$ =0 ?

This is true if f(x) has no singularities in $[-\pi,\pi]$ ... consider for example $f(x)=\frac{1}{x}$ ...

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$\chi$ $\sigma$
December 11th 2011, 06:04 PM
younhock

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

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Originally Posted by chisigma

This is true if f(x) has no singularities in $[-\pi,\pi]$ ... consider for example $f(x)=\frac{1}{x}$ ...

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$\chi$ $\sigma$

Is there any way to show it? Thank you.
December 11th 2011, 09:15 PM
chisigma

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

An odd function that is not the null function is positive in a part and negative in a different part of the definition interval. Let's define $f^{+} (x)= f(x)$ where $f(x)>0$ and $f^{+} (x)= 0$ elsewhere and $f^{-} (x)= -f(x)$ where $f(x)<0$ and $f^{-} (x)= 0$ elsewhere. The Lebesgue integral of f(x) is defined as...

$\int_{\mu} f(x) dx = \int_{\mu} f^{+}(x) dx - \int_{\mu} f^{-}(x) dx$ (1)

Now the integral (1) exists only if both the integrals in (1) exist and that is not true [for example...] for $f(x)= \frac{1}{x}$ in $[- \pi, +\pi]$ ...

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December 11th 2011, 09:35 PM
Drexel28

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

Well, $\frac{1}{x}$ isn't Lebesgue integrable on $[-\pi,\pi]$ , so it's a moot point, no? The basic idea is that change of variables still works for Lebsgue integrals. What if you let $x=-z$ ?
December 11th 2011, 09:47 PM
chisigma

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

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Originally Posted by Drexel28

Well, $\frac{1}{x}$ isn't Lebesgue integrable on $[-\pi,\pi]$ , so it's a moot point, no? The basic idea is that change of variables still works for Lebsgue integrals. What if you let $x=-z$ ?

I'm very sorry but I'm afraid not to have fully undestood Your reply... can You explain a little more, please?...

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December 11th 2011, 09:51 PM
Drexel28

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

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Originally Posted by chisigma

I'm very sorry but I'm afraid not to have fully undestood Your reply... can You explain a little more, please?...

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$\chi$ $\sigma$

Which part of it? The fact that $\frac{1}{x}$ isn't Lebesgue integrable, or how the change of variables works?
December 11th 2011, 10:06 PM
chisigma

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

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Originally Posted by Drexel28

Which part of it? The fact that $\frac{1}{x}$ isn't Lebesgue integrable, or how the change of variables works?

The original question was to demonstrate that if f(x) is and odd function, then ...

$\int_{-\pi}^{+\pi} f(x) dx =0$ (1)

... where the integral is 'Lebesgue Integral'. My replay has been [symply...] that an odd function isn't necessarly Lebesgue integrable and the example $f(x)= \frac{1}{x}$ has been supplied. Of course if we add the condition that f(x) must be 'regular', then the demonstration of (1) is very comfortable...

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December 11th 2011, 10:15 PM
Drexel28

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chisigma

The original question was to demonstrate that if f(x) is and odd function, then ...

$\int_{-\pi}^{+\pi} f(x) dx =0$ (1)

... where the integral is 'Lebesgue Integral'. My replay has been [symply...] that an odd function isn't necessarly Lebesgue integrable and the example $f(x)= \frac{1}{x}$ has been supplied. Of course if we add the condition that f(x) must be 'regular', then the demonstration of (1) is very comfortable...

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$\chi$ $\sigma$

Clearly we are to assume that the function is integrable, otherwise the integral doesn't make sense! That's like saying "Prove that the limit of a sequence in $[0,\infty)$ is in $[0,\infty)$ is false since $\lim n$ is infinite--it's clear by wording that we are to assume the sequence converges!
December 12th 2011, 01:30 AM
younhock

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

Maybe I should add one more condition to the question since it causes confusion. Now f(x) is lebesgue integrable and odd. how to show the integral value is zero?
December 12th 2011, 03:23 AM
chisigma

Re: Lebesgue integral of Odd Function.

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Originally Posted by younhock

Maybe I should add one more condition to the question since it causes confusion. Now f(x) is lebesgue integrable and odd. how to show the integral value is zero?

... if f(x) is odd then $f(x)=-f(-x)$ so that is...

$\int_{-\pi}^{0} f(x)\ dx = - \int_{0}^{\pi} f(x)\ dx \implies \int_{-\pi}^{0} f(x)\ dx + \int_{0}^{\pi} f(x)\ dx = 0$

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