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- Oct 26th 2009, 07:44 PMpengchao1024find asymptotic expansion of this integral

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- Oct 27th 2009, 03:11 AMchisigma
Proceeding in 'trivial' way, if ...

(1)

... You can compute...

(2)

What you are searching however is...

... and this limit is 1 only if is continuos in . A way to meet that is to find an explicit expression for , what I will try to do now... lets hope with success! (Thinking)...

We start by defining...

(3)

... and then we compute [using a textbook for saving time(Thinking)...] the LT of ...

(4)

... where is the socalled Integralexponential Function defined as...

(5)

The next step is the computation of the LT of using the formula...

(6)

Because is...

(7)

... we obtain...

(8)

Combining (1) and (8) computed for we finally obtain...

(9)

The 'experts' of MHF are kindly pleased to control the computation, because the 'old wolf' has lost most of his teeth (Thinking) ... if computation is correct the next step is computing the limit for of (9)...

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P.S. : I had to drastically modify the post in order to correct many mistakes... very sorry!... - Oct 27th 2009, 05:47 AMtonio
- Oct 28th 2009, 07:35 AMchisigma
Even with some difficulties we are arrived to an explicit form of ...

(1)

The problem is now to find the limit of when tends to . At this scope we use the change of variables so that is...

... where...

(2)

If , then for the 'Final value theorem' is...

(3)

We now proceed with the following successive steps...

(4)

(5)

(6)

(7)

The final conclusion is...

(8)

... so that is...

(9)

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- Oct 28th 2009, 09:36 AMLaurent
The problem is that the last integral converges to 0 when , hence an undeterminate form , you can't conclude.

If one only needs , then there is (much) simpler:

-On one hand, .

-On the other hand, for any , . Choose , so that and , hence the previous lower bound tends to 1 as .

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Of course, the bounded convergence theorem gives a far less elementary, yet simpler proof: for all , and , and the function in the integral tends to when , hence .

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The original post asked for an asymptotic expansion, i.e. something like :

and more generally a pattern for the expansion.

I couldn't find a direct proof. Maybe ChiSigma's explicit formula could help.

What I did however is use the Taylor-Young expansion: if is sufficiently smooth near .

Using the (non-elementary) theorem of derivation under the integral sign, we can get the -th derivative of at :

Hence (using the bounded convergence theorem like above)

.

We deduce (this is a theorem) that is indefinitely derivable at 0 (to the right) and

.

Using Taylor-Young expansion at (to the right), we get

for all . (Of course, this is not a series expansion since it would be divergent)

(Mistakes are possible, I couldn't check this expansion) - Oct 29th 2009, 03:37 AMchisigma
A nice general purpose formula I found some years ago for the computation of integrals of the type...

... is illustated. A well known formula that holds for any real or complex is...

(1)

On the basis of (1) it is 'spontaneous' to write...

(2)

... that with the change of variables becomes...

(3)

Now I'll try to use (3) for solving the problem proposed in this thread and I suggest You to do the same. I don't promise that my 'magic formula' will work in this case ... at the time it worked very well for the computation of the integral proposed in...

http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/math-challenge-problems/110549-about-eulers-constant-1-a.html

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- Oct 30th 2009, 02:42 AMchisigma
In order to simplify the computation we trasform the integral as...

(1)

Now we apply the 'magic formula'...

(2)

... to the integral in (1) and obtain...

(3)

Now we proceed to integrate...

(4)

At this point a little stop is useful to do some considerations...

a) because is...

(5)

... the terms containing can be deleted from (4)...

b) in order to proceed it is very useful the 'little nice formula'...

(6)

Now if we set in (6) and we have...

(7)

... and because is...

(8)

... also this term can be deleted from (4). In conclusion we can 'simplify' (4) writing...

(9)

Before proceeding, the 'experts' of MHF are kindly requested to verify the computation I have done till now... thanks a lot! (Itwasntme) ...

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- Oct 30th 2009, 04:33 AMLaurent
I'd say I'm rather skeptical about your chances to conclude. It would have been encouraging if you had obtained something like since it could suggest (refering to the expansion I obtained) that the integral is negligible with respect to and that you'll get the whole asymptotic expansion by a - possibly tiresome - induction. However you get something like , hence now you'll have to prove that the second term contains a term to cancel the first one; thus it doesn't look like this new formula is any "better" than that you started with. Plus there may be a difficulty when you'll have to exchange limits and .

That's a drawback with magic formulas: either they really act like magic, or they obfuscate things since we have to apply them "at random" in hope they will work. The down-to-earth arguments of my post (i.e. derivation and Taylor-Young expansion), while not especially beautiful, have the advantage to work for sure. And to be short and simple. - Oct 30th 2009, 07:16 AMchisigmaNon c'č due senza tre...
An old italian proverb say : '... non c'č due senza tre!...', that's in english idiom is [approximatively...]: '... never two without a third!...'. In this thread I've showed to You two 'nice little formulas'...

(1)

(2)

Since tomorrow is Halloween's holiday , I'll donate to You a third 'nice little formula' (Wink) . Let suppose we have to compute the indefinite integral...

(3)

Ai first it seems a little hard... never mind, we proceed 'step by step' integrating first (3) by parts...

(4)

The result is that now we have an integral similar to the first... but simpler, because the exponent of the logarithm is instead of !... very good !(Rofl)... we can proceed till to have the exponent of the logarithm equal to 0 and obtain...

(5)

Very nice indeed! ... and I hope it will be also very useful! (Rock)...

Have You all a nice Halloween!...

Kind regards

- Oct 31st 2009, 07:55 AMchisigma
Today is Halloween holiday and I will offer You a nice and useful present: the generalization of one of the ‘nice little formulas’ we have seen in previous posts (Wink) …

Let suppose we have to compute the integral…

(1)

A good idea is, of course, the integration by parts and after one step we obtain...

(2)

The idea seems to work well, so that we try a second step...

(3)

At this point it is 'spontaneous' to proceed along this way till to obtain...

(4)

Les jeaux son fait!... rien ne va plus! (Rofl) ...

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