differential question

• Jul 3rd 2009, 03:53 PM
superdude
differential question
for what values of k does the function y=costkt satisfy the differential equation 4y''=-25y?
• Jul 3rd 2009, 03:54 PM
mr fantastic
Quote:

Originally Posted by superdude
for what values of k does the function y=costkt satisfy the differential equation 4y''=-25y?

Start by differentiating twice the trial solution. Then substitute y and y'' into the DE. Compare the coefficient of cos(kt) on each side.
• Jul 3rd 2009, 07:55 PM
calc101
$y = \cos{(kt)}$
$y' = -k\sin{(kt)}$
$y''= -k^2\cos{(kt)}$
$4(-k^2\cos{(kt)}) = -25(\cos{(kt)})$

Spoiler:

The $\cos{(kt)}$ and the negatives cancel, therefore:
$
4k^2 = 25$

$
k = \frac{5}{2}$

Therefore, the equation is satisfied when $k=\frac{5}{2}$
• Jul 3rd 2009, 08:06 PM
mr fantastic
Quote:

Originally Posted by calc101
$y = cost kt$
$y' = -ksinkt$
$y''= -k^2coskt$
$4(-k^2coskt) = -25(coskt)$

The coskt and the negatives cancel, therefore:
$
4k^2 = 25$

$
k = \frac{5}{2}$

Therefore, the equation is satisfied when $k=\frac{5}{2}$

I was rather hoping that the OP would make an attempt and say where s/he was stuck if help was still required. Short of using my editing powers, this is now impossible.

As it is, you've left only one trivial (but important) thing for the OP to do. I hope that this one small thing remains left for the OP.
• Jul 4th 2009, 12:05 AM
CaptainBlack
Quote:

Originally Posted by calc101
$y = cost kt$
$y' = -ksinkt$
$y''= -k^2coskt$
$4(-k^2coskt) = -25(coskt)$

Please consider improving your use of notation, in particular put brackets around the arguments of functions.

Also \sin and \cos will improve the readability as well

CB
• Jul 5th 2009, 12:13 PM
superdude
yes I did get that answer, plus or minus 5/2

part b) I'm stuck on again. "For those values of k, verify that every member of the family of functions y=Asinkt+Bcoskt is also a solution." (where A,B, and of course k, are constants). This is what I did:

$
y=A\sin(kt)+B\cos(kt)\\
y'=Ak\cos(kt)-bk\sin(kt)\\
y''=-Bk^2\cos(kt)-Ak^2\sin(kt)\\
$

then I plug in the value of k and get
$
4(\frac{-25b\cos(5t/2)}{4}-\frac{25a\sin(5t/2)}{4})=-25b\cos(5k/2)-25a\sin(5k/2)
$

I'm uncertain what to do next or if the question is completed
• Jul 5th 2009, 12:41 PM
Chris L T521
Quote:

Originally Posted by superdude
yes I did get that answer, plus or minus 5/2

part b) I'm stuck on again. "For those values of k, verify that every member of the family of functions y=Asinkt+Bcoskt is also a solution." (where A,B, and of course k, are constants). This is what I did:

\begin{aligned}
y & = A\sin(kt)+B\cos(kt)\\
y' & =Ak\cos(kt)-bk\sin(kt)\\
y'' & =-Bk^2\cos(kt)-Ak^2\sin(kt)\end{aligned}

then I plug in the value of k and get
$
4(\frac{-25b\cos(5t/2)}{4}-\frac{25a\sin(5t/2)}{4})=-25b\cos(5{\color{red}t}/2)-25a\sin(5{\color{red}t}/2)
$

I'm uncertain what to do next or if the question is completed

I'm sorry, how do I cause a line break with latex?

Note my correction in red first (you had k, when it should have been t).

Now, simplify the LHS to see that LHS = RHS which implies that the family of functions satisfies the differential equation.

To answer you're last question on LaTeX, click on the edited LaTeX image to see the code.
• Jul 5th 2009, 05:57 PM
superdude
Another question
Thanks, what I'm doing now makes sense.