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    Question Help with this DE problem

    Hi
    I got a problem in DE too
    I checked all the possible methods that I've learned so far includes Linear, Homogeneous,Bernoulli, and exact equation however none of them worked for me

    y' =  \frac{y}{3x - y^2}

    Please give me just a little hint on this.
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    Put y=\sqrt xt and that'd turn the ODE into a separable one.
    Last edited by Krizalid; January 31st 2010 at 04:29 PM. Reason: removed request to create a new thread
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    Hi, can you tell me how you know to put it that way? Is there any general method for this kind of problem?
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    mm, i didn't know, i just made that substitution and it worked out!
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    So I guess I'm pretty dumb, coz I've been thinking about that since yesterday...
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    no, don't say that.

    apply the substitution, what do you get?
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    Yes, I was be able to solve the problem using your substitution.
    so.. the seprable form is this...

    \frac {6 - 2v^2}{v-3+v^2}dv = \frac {dx}{x}

    Thank you.

    BTW.
    I got another I.V.P where I found c = \sqrt4 , I end up with c= +-2
    which one should I choose?
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    \sqrt4=2, and not -2.

    did you stop to think how a positive function could deliver a negative value?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krizalid View Post

    did you stop to think how a positive function could deliver a negative value?
    Im not sure what you're asking
    an you give me a little explain? ,why is it not negative?
    I found the SOLN , and plug back to orginal problem, with both case c=+-2
    ,looks like both satify the problem.....
    I dont really understand...
    And what about uniqueness ... ???? I though they said IVP is unique soln, but... I found 2 C's....
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    general solution

    Hi, i read over this post i think i know how to find a "general solution" for this probelm. Its actually a specific case for this problem, but it'll help you find an integrating factor in the form x^ay^b. where "a" and "b" are constants.

    Get equation in exact form:
    (M)dx+(N)dy=0
    (-y)dx+(3x-y)dy=0

    Make this fraction =1

    \dfrac{M_y-N_x}{N\dfrac{a}{x}-M\dfrac{b}{y}}=1

    By making "a" and "b" appropriot values this should make the fraction 1. Thereby giving you the values of "a" and "b"to fill in the integrating factor x^ay^b.
    This should make the equation turn into an "exact differential equation"

    Hope this helps!
    *Note: I havent tried this for your specific problem, but this is the solution my professor has taught us and has worked for me on other problems.
    Last edited by snaes; February 1st 2010 at 08:33 PM. Reason: oops
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    that's funny, you got the same result as me and i've never studied well exact equations.
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    For another approach



    rewrite

    dx/dy = (3x-y^2)/y

    dx/dy -(3/y)x = -y

    use integrating factor 1/y^3

    x/y^3 = 1/y + c

    x = y^2 + cy^3
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    Quote Originally Posted by snaes View Post
    Hi, i read over this post i think i know how to find a "general solution" for this probelm. Its actually a specific case for this problem, but it'll help you find an integrating factor in the form x^ay^b. where "a" and "b" are constants.

    Get equation in exact form:
    (M)dx+(N)dy=0
    (-y)dx+(3x-y)dy=0

    Make this fraction =1

    \dfrac{M_y-N_x}{N\dfrac{a}{x}-M\dfrac{b}{y}}=1

    By making "a" and "b" appropriot values this should make the fraction 1. Thereby giving you the values of "a" and "b"to fill in the integrating factor x^ay^b.
    This should make the equation turn into an "exact differential equation"

    Hope this helps!
    *Note: I havent tried this for your specific problem, but this is the solution my professor has taught us and has worked for me on other problems.
    Hi, can you put it in a little detail? How do you get 3x-y^2 to 3x - y
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calculus26 View Post
    For another approach



    rewrite

    dx/dy = (3x-y^2)/y

    dx/dy -(3/y)x = -y

    use integrating factor 1/y^3

    x/y^3 = 1/y + c

    x = y^2 + cy^3
    So you make this look like a linear eqn?
    I thought it should be dy/dx?
    Im confused tho, coz y is a function has x .... or may be i'm wrong
    Can you give me an explain
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    I just inverted the equation to get x as a fn of y to make the solution a simple linear ODE.
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