# Can I simplify the following function

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• Apr 5th 2009, 06:59 PM
cammywhite
Can I simplify the following function
Can I simplify $\int \frac {e^t}{e^t+1}dt$ into $\int 1+e^t dt$

so that the antiderivative will be $x+e^t+C$
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:02 PM
Jhevon
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Originally Posted by cammywhite
Can I simplify $\int \frac {e^t}{e^t+1}dt$ into $\int 1+e^t dt$

so that the antiderivative will be $x+e^t+C$

um, no. this is a substitution problem. let $u = 1 + e^t$
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:03 PM
Mush
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Originally Posted by cammywhite
Can I simplify $\int \frac {e^t}{e^t+1}dt$ into $\int 1+e^t dt$

so that the antiderivative will be $x+e^t+C$

No.

Use substitution. Let $u = e^t + 1$

$\frac{du}{dt} = e^t$

$du = e^t dt$

Therefore integral becomes:

$\int \frac{du}{u}$
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:09 PM
cammywhite
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Originally Posted by Mush
No.

Use substitution. Let $u = e^t + 1$

$\frac{du}{dt} = e^t$

$du = e^t dt$

Therefore integral becomes:

$\int \frac{du}{u}$

so it will be $\frac {e^t+x}{e^t+1}$
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:26 PM
Jhevon
*sigh* please review your integration rules: $\int \frac 1x~dx = \ln |x| + C$
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:37 PM
cammywhite
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Originally Posted by Jhevon
*sigh* please review your integration rules: $\int \frac 1x~dx = \ln |x| + C$

I just have problem with the substituting part...

Let $u=e^t+1$

so $\int \frac {e^t}{e^t+1}dt$ will equal to $\int \frac {u-1}{u}dt$

am i correct???
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:40 PM
Jhevon
Quote:

Originally Posted by cammywhite
I just have problem with the substituting part...

Let $u=e^t+1$

so $\int \frac {e^t}{e^t+1}dt$ will equal to $\int \frac {u-1}{u}dt$

am i correct???

what are you doing?! are you reading the posts made here?

picking up where Mush left off: we have

$\int \frac 1u~du$

applying the rule i just gave you, we get

$\ln |u| + C$

now back-substitute for $u$, we get:

$\ln |e^t + 1| + C$

please re-read posts #3 and #5 carefully
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:42 PM
o_O
Maybe some colour would help.

${\color{red}u = e^t + 1} \ \Rightarrow \ {\color{blue}du = e^t dt}$

So your integral: $\int \frac{{\color{blue}e^t dt}}{{\color{red}e^t + 1}} = \int \frac{{\color{blue}du}}{{\color{red}u}}$

which is a standard one.
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:48 PM
cammywhite
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jhevon
what are you doing?! are you reading the posts made here?

picking up where Mush left off: we have

$\int \frac 1u~du$

applying the rule i just gave you, we get

$\ln |u| + C$

now back-substitute for $u$, we get:

$\ln |e^t + 1| + C$

please re-read posts #3 and #5 carefully

So in otherwords the derivative of $\ln |e^t + 1| + C$ is $\frac {e^t}{e^t+1}?$
• Apr 5th 2009, 07:58 PM
Jhevon
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Originally Posted by cammywhite
So in otherwords the derivative of $\ln |e^t + 1| + C$ is $\frac {e^t}{e^t+1}?$

yes. by the chain rule: $\frac d{dx} \ln u = \frac {u'}u$

here u is a function of x