# Thread: Fun with Implicit Derivatives and lns

1. ## Fun with Implicit Derivatives and lns

Hello. I have two super fun problems for you guys to try and solve. I tried them both but my answers were not right.

$2e^{4-x^2}-4ln(x^3+5)$

Answer is supposed to be $-4xe^{4-x^2} - \frac{12x^2}{x^3+5}$
and

$2y^3+x^2y^2=5x-y-1$

This one is suposed to be $\frac{1}{3}$

If you could be so kinds as to show me your steps I would greatly appreciate it. I think i might be messing up my simplification on the first one i tried it 3 times and i got the same answer all 3 times but its wrong according to the key and I doubt my physics prof is wrong. The 2nd one makes me want to cut myself

2. $2y^{3}+x^{2}y^{2}-5x+y+1=0$

One common mistake with implicit diff is not using the product rule.

$6y^{2}y'+\left(\underbrace{2x^{2}yy'+2xy^{2}}_{\te xt{product rule }}\right)-5+y'=0$

$y'=\frac{5-2xy^{2}}{6y^{2}+2x^{2}y+1}$

Where is the 1/3 coming from?. Are there values given for x and y?

3. $2e^{4-x^2}-4ln(x^3+5)$
I see nothing particularly "fun" or very difficult about this. The derivative of $e^u$ with respect to u is $e^u$ and using the chain rule the derivative of $2e^{4- x^2}$ is $2(e^{4- x^2})(-2x)= -4xe^{4-x^2}$. The derivative of ln(u) with respect to u is 1/u so the derivative of $-4ln(x^3+ 5)$ is $(-4)(\frac{1}{x^3+5})(3x^2)= \frac{-12x^2}{x^3+ 5}$. Adding those gives what you say the answer is "supposed" to be.