# Math Help - Help with integrals

1. ## Help with integrals

How do I integrate:

∫ 2x/(x-4) dx

and

∫ (x+3)sqrt(x-2) dx

Thanks for help!

2. Originally Posted by Kenny12345
How do I integrate:

∫ 2x/(x-4) dx

and

∫ (x+3)sqrt(x-2) dx

Thanks for help!
For the first one, make the substitution $u=x-4\implies x=u+4$ Thus, $\,du=\,dx$

The integral now becomes $\int\frac{2\left(u+4\right)}{u}\,du=\int\left(1+\f rac{8}{u}\right)\,du$. Can you take it from here?

For the second one, left $u=x-2\implies x=u+2$. Thus, $\,du=\,dx$

The integral now becomes $\int\left[\left[\left(u+2\right)+3\right]\sqrt{u}\right]\,du=\int\left(u^{\frac{3}{2}}+5u^{\frac{1}{2}}\ri ght)\,du$. Can you take it from here?

Does this make sense?

3. Originally Posted by Chris L T521
For the first one, make the substitution $u=x-4\implies x=u+4$ Thus, $\,du=\,dx$

The integral now becomes $\int\frac{2\left(u+4\right)}{u}\,du=\int\left(1+\f rac{8}{u}\right)\,du$. Can you take it from here?

For the second one, left $u=x-2\implies x=u+2$. Thus, $\,du=\,dx$

The integral now becomes $\int\left[\left[\left(u+2\right)+3\right]\sqrt{u}\right]\,du=\int\left(u^{\frac{3}{2}}+5u^{\frac{1}{2}}\ri ght)\,du$. Can you take it from here?

Does this make sense?
For the second question, can I also use integration by parts as well?

4. Originally Posted by Kenny12345
For the second question, can I also use integration by parts as well?
You could...but it would over-complicate things. A substitution would be easier (and quicker).

5. Originally Posted by Chris L T521
You could...but it would over-complicate things. A substitution would be easier (and quicker).
Alright thanks, I have another question:

∫ x^7sin(3x^4) dx

I'm supposed to use integration by parts for this one, but I'm not sure what I should take for u and v first.

6. Originally Posted by Kenny12345
Alright thanks, I have another question:

∫ x^7sin(3x^4) dx

I'm supposed to use integration by parts for this one, but I'm not sure what I should take for u and v first.
I would first tweek the integral before I apply integration by parts:

let $z=3x^4\implies x^4=\tfrac{1}{3}z$. Thus, $\,dz=12x^3\,dx\implies x^3\,dx=\tfrac{1}{12}\,dz$

Now, the integral becomes $\frac{1}{12}\int x^4\sin\left(z\right)\,dz=\frac{1}{36}\int z\sin\left(z\right)\,dz$

Now integration by parts will be a piece of cake from here.

Let $u=z$ and $\,dv=\sin\left(z\right)$

Why don't you take it from here and find $\,du$ and $v$.

7. Originally Posted by Chris L T521
I would first tweek the integral before I apply integration by parts:

let $z=3x^4\implies x^4=\tfrac{1}{3}z$. Thus, $\,dz=12x^3\,dx\implies x^3\,dx=\tfrac{1}{12}\,dz$

Now, the integral becomes $\frac{1}{12}\int x^4\sin\left(z\right)\,dz=\frac{1}{36}\int z\sin\left(z\right)\,dz$

Now integration by parts will be a piece of cake from here.

Let $u=z$ and $\,dv=\sin\left(z\right)$

Why don't you take it from here and find $\,du$ and $v$.

Yea sorry, I'm a newbie in these forums and I thought it would save post space if I just reply similar questions in a single post instead of making a new thread.

8. Originally Posted by Kenny12345
Alright thanks, I have another question:

∫ x^7sin(3x^4) dx

I'm supposed to use integration by parts for this one, but I'm not sure what I should take for u and v first.
Here's something that may be helpful in the future:

To determine what $u$ should be, you can use the anagram LIPET. Go down the list (in this particular order) and see what you have in the integral [i.e. if you don't have logs, do you have inverse trig? etc]:

Logarithms (Natural) --------------Highest priority
Inverse Trigonometric Functions
Polynomial Expressions
Exponential Functions
Trigonometric Functions -----------Lowest Priority