# Supremum

• Sep 19th 2006, 11:26 AM
JaysFan31
Supremum
Suppose S (a subset of R) is an upper bounded set and u is in S. Assume u is an upper bound for S. Show that supS=u.

This seems to be just a definition so how would you prove it? Also, doesn't u have to be the least upper bound (and not just some upper bound)?
• Sep 19th 2006, 11:51 AM
CaptainBlack
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Originally Posted by JaysFan31
Suppose S (a subset of R) is an upper bounded set and u is in S. Assume u is an upper bound for S. Show that supS=u.

This seems to be just a definition so how would you prove it? Also, doesn't u have to be the least upper bound (and not just some upper bound)?

Suppose u is not the supremum, then there is another v which is greater (or
equal) every element of S, but less than u. But u is in S and so we have the

u<=v<u.

So u is the supremum.

RonL
• Sep 19th 2006, 07:26 PM
ThePerfectHacker
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Originally Posted by CaptainBlack
Suppose u is not the supremum, then there is another v which is greater (or
equal) every element of S, but less than u. But u is in S and so we have the

Am I missing something? v is not necessarily an element of S. Therefore saying that u>v (because it is an upper bound) does not apply :eek:

Your proof falls as dramatically as the Roman Empire.
• Sep 20th 2006, 12:14 AM
CaptainBlack
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Originally Posted by ThePerfectHacker
Am I missing something? v is not necessarily an element of S. Therefore saying that u>v (because it is an upper bound) does not apply :eek:

u>v, because if u is not the supermum there is an upper bound
which is less than u, and by supposition one such is v.

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Your proof falls as dramatically as the Roman Empire.
Since the Roman Empire took from sometime in the 5th or 6th century
up to 1453 and the death of Constantine XI, other than the last moments
long drawn out is a more appropriate description of the death of the
Emprire.

RonL
• Sep 20th 2006, 04:11 AM
Jameson
Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainBlack
Since the Roman Empire took from sometime in the 5th or 6th century
up to 1453 and the death of Constantine XI, other than the last moments
long drawn out is a more appropriate description of the death of the
Emprire.

RonL

Touche! Maybe as fast as the USSR would be a better description? :D
• Sep 20th 2006, 07:39 AM
ThePerfectHacker
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Originally Posted by Jameson
Maybe as fast as the USSR would be a better description? :D

I do not like that simile. :mad:
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I would have said as "...Greece" but I like Greece thus I chose not to choose it.