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    [SOLVED] stuck on area/integrals




    can someone help me i know i m doing something wrong.. where did i start to go wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legendsn3verdie View Post



    can someone help me i know i m doing something wrong.. where did i start to go wrong?
    Enclosed area = \int\limits_0^1 {\sqrt x } ~dx + \int\limits_1^3 {\sqrt {\frac{{3 - x}}{2}} } ~dx \hfill \\

    Now,  \int\limits_0^1 {\sqrt x } ~dx = \left[ {\frac{2}<br />
{3}x^{\frac{3}<br />
{2}} } \right]_0^1  = \frac{2}<br />
{3} \hfill \\

      {\text{Now,  }}\int\limits_1^3 {\sqrt {\frac{{3 - x}}<br />
{2}} } dx \hfill \\

      {\text{Let   }}\frac{{3 - x}}<br />
{2} = u{\text{ ,  }}\frac{{ - dx}}<br />
{2} = du,{\text{ }} \Rightarrow dx =  - 2du,{\text{  as }}x \to 1,{\text{  }}u \to 1{\text{   and as  }}x \to 3,{\text{  }}u \to 0 \hfill \\

     \int\limits_1^3 {\sqrt {\frac{{3 - x}}<br />
{2}} } ~dx =  - 2\int\limits_1^0 {\sqrt u } ~du \hfill \\

      =  - 2\left[ {\frac{2}<br />
{3}u^{\frac{3}<br />
{2}} } \right]_1^0  = \frac{4}<br />
{3} \hfill \\

     {\text{Enclosed area }} = \frac{2}<br />
{3} + \frac{4}<br />
{3} = \frac{6}<br />
{3} = 2 \hfill \\ <br />
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legendsn3verdie View Post



    can someone help me i know i m doing something wrong.. where did i start to go wrong?
    The enclosed area is exactly the same as the right hand side area between the inverses of each curve and the y-axis.

    That is, the enclosed area is equal to the right hand side area between y = x^2, y = 3 - 2x^2 and the y-axis:

    Enclosed area = \int_{0}^{1} (3 - 2x^2) - x^2 \, dx.


    By the way. Don't bump.
    Last edited by mr fantastic; September 8th 2008 at 09:33 PM. Reason: Added the last line.
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    Make 2 integrals

    \int_0^1 \sqrt{x}~dx + \int_1^3 \sqrt{\frac{3-x}{2}}~dx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legendsn3verdie View Post
    I know this looks like horror but i really need help.
    yes, you add the two integrals for the total area

    (you messed up the second one at the end. the value of that integral is 4/3)

    EDIT: geez! i'm really late. i'm tired anyway, i should go to bed...
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    Hello, Legendsn3verdie!

    Find the area enclosed by: . x-y^2\:=\:0 and x + 2y^2 \:=\:3
    The graph looks like this:
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    It is easier integrate "sideways" ... with respect to y.

    We have: . x \:=\:y^2,\;\;x \:=\:3-y^2


    They intersect when: . y^2 \:=\:3-2y^2 \quad\Rightarrow\quad 3y^2 \:=\:3 \quad\Rightarrow\quad y^2 \:=\:1
    . . They intersect at: y \:=\:\pm1


    Formula: . \text{Area} \;=\;\int^b_a\bigg[x_{\text{right}} - x_{\text{left}}\bigg]\,dy


    Due to the symmtry of the region, we can integrate from y = 0 to y = 1
    . . and double the result.


    We have: . A \;\;=\;\;2\int^1_0\bigg[(3-2y^2) - y^2\bigg]\,dy \;=\;2\int^1_0\bigg[3 - 3y^2\bigg]\,dy \;\;=\; \;2\left(3y - y^3\right)\,\bigg]^1_0

    . . . . . = \;\;2(3\cdot1-1^3) - 2(3\cdot0 - 0^3) \;\;=\;\;2(3-1) \;\;=\;\;\boxed{4}

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam View Post
     \int\limits_1^3 {\sqrt x } dx = \left[ {\frac{2}<br />
{3}x^{\frac{3}<br />
{2}} } \right]_0^1 = \frac{2}<br />
{3} \hfill \\

     {\text{Now, }}\int\limits_1^3 {\sqrt {\frac{{3 - x}}<br />
{2}} } dx \hfill \\

     {\text{Let }}\frac{{3 - x}}<br />
{2} = u{\text{ , }}\frac{{ - dx}}<br />
{2} = du,{\text{ }} \Rightarrow dx = - 2du,{\text{ as }}x \to 1,{\text{ }}u \to 1{\text{ and as }}x \to 3,{\text{ }}u \to 0 \hfill \\

     \int\limits_1^3 {\sqrt {\frac{{3 - x}}<br />
{2}} } ~dx = - 2\int\limits_1^0 {\sqrt u } ~du \hfill \\

     = - 2\left[ {\frac{2}<br />
{3}u^{\frac{3}<br />
{2}} } \right]_1^0 = \frac{4}<br />
{3} \hfill \\

     {\text{Required area }} = \frac{2}<br />
{3} + \frac{4}<br />
{3} = \frac{6}<br />
{3} = 2 \hfill \\ <br />

    hm wow guess i was close kinda, i just realized that graph flips over the x axis to cause its +- = 1 cause of the square roots in the begging. so i guess that total area is really 4, but anyways what u showed me help. thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legendsn3verdie View Post



    can someone help me i know i m doing something wrong.. where did i start to go wrong?
    If you are to find the area between x-y^2=0 and x+2y^2=3, we see that we have two parabolas x=y^2, and x=3-2y^2.

    To find where they intersect, set these equations equal to each other:

    y^2=3-2y^2\implies 3y^2=3\implies y^2=1\implies y=\pm1

    If graphed correctly, we can see that the area integral should be written in terms of y:

    A=\int_{-1}^1 \left(3-2y^2-y^2\right)\,dy=3\int_{-1}^1\left(1-y^2\right)\,dy=6\int_0^1\left(1-y^2\right)\,dy

    Does this make sense?

    If not, try to see how I set up my integral from the graph of these two functions:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Soroban View Post
    Hello, Legendsn3verdie!

    The graph looks like this:
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    It is easier integrate "sideways" ... with respect to y.

    We have: . x \:=\:y^2,\;\;x \:=\:3-y^2


    They intersect when: . y^2 \:=\:3-2y^2 \quad\Rightarrow\quad 3y^2 \:=\:3 \quad\Rightarrow\quad y^2 \:=\:1
    . . They intersect at: y \:=\:\pm1


    Formula: . \text{Area} \;=\;\int^b_a\bigg[x_{\text{right}} - x_{\text{left}}\bigg]\,dy


    Due to the symmtry of the region, we can integrate from y = 0 to y = 1
    . . and double the result.


    We have: . A \;\;=\;\;2\int^1_0\bigg[(3-2y^2) - y^2\bigg]\,dy \;=\;2\int^1_0\bigg[3 - 3y^2\bigg]\,dy \;\;=\; \;2\left(3y - y^3\right)\,\bigg]^1_0

    . . . . . = \;\;2(3\cdot1-1^3) - 2(3\cdot0 - 0^3) \;\;=\;\;2(3-1) \;\;=\;\;\boxed{4}
    My understanding is that only the upper half of the area is required ......
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