# Another limit question

• June 27th 2008, 09:48 AM
Mathstud28
Another limit question
I know this is very intuitive but I just wanted to make sure.

Consider

$\lim_{(x,y)\to(a,b)}f(x,y)$

Now let $\lim_{(x,y)\to(a,b)}f(x,y)=L\text{ Along }P_1$

But suppose

$\lim_{(x,y)\to(a,b)}f(x,y)\text{ Does not exist along }P_2$

Then obviously

$\lim_{(x,y)\to(a,b)}f(x,y)\text{ Does not exist}$

Right?

Example

$\lim_{(x,y)\to(0,0)}\frac{3x^2\sqrt{y}}{x^4+y^2}$

Along the y-axis we have

$\lim_{(0,y)\to(0,0)}\frac{3(0)^2\sqrt{y}}{0^4+y^2} =0$

Now along the parabola $y=x^2$

We get

$\lim_{(x,x^2)\to(0,0)}\frac{3x^3|x|}{x^4+x^4}=\fra c{3}{2}\lim_{(x,x^2)\to(0,0)}\frac{|x|}{x}$

Which does not exist.

So then just to make sure, I can say that since

$\lim_{(0,y)\to(0,0)}\frac{3(0)^3\sqrt{y}}{0^4+y^2} \ne\lim_{(x,x^2)\to(0,0)}\frac{3x^3\sqrt{x^2}}{x^4 +x^4}$

That

$\lim_{(x,y)\to(0,0)}\frac{3x^3\sqrt{y}}{x^4+y^2}$ does not exist right?

Mathstud
• June 27th 2008, 10:06 AM
Mathstud28
Quote:

Originally Posted by topsquark
Your argument looks correct, but you might want to check this result. (Doh)

-Dan

Are you saying it isn't zero?
• June 27th 2008, 11:50 AM
topsquark
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathstud28
Are you saying it isn't zero?

My apologies!

-Dan
• June 27th 2008, 12:46 PM
galactus
If I am understanding you correctly, you are right, the limit does not exist because it approaches different values along different paths.

Here is an example:

$\lim_{(x,y)\to (0,0)}\left(\frac{x^{2}-y^{2}}{x^{2}+y^{2}}\right)^{2}$

The domain of said function consists of all points in the xy-plane for the point (0,0). To show that the limit approaches (0,0) does not exist, consider approaching (0,0) along two different paths. Along the x-axis, every point has the form (x,0) and the limit is 1.

If (x,y) approaches (0,0) along y=x, we get 0

This means that in any open disc centered at (0,0) there are points (x,y) where the function takes on the value 1, and other places where it has value 0.

Therefore, it does not have a limit as $(x,y)\rightarrow (0,0)$

Now, we can conclude that the limit does not exist because we found two different values for two different approaches. If two approaches had given the same limit, we still could not have concluded the limit exists.

To form this conclusion, we must show the limit is the same along all possible approaches.

I am sure you already knew this.

Here is something else:

$\lim_{(x,y)\to (0,0)}\frac{5x^{2}y}{x^{2}+y^{2}}$

In this case, the limits of the num. and den. are both 0, so we can not determine the existence of a limit by taking the limits of the num. and den. separately and dividing.

Note that $|y|\leq\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}$

and

$\frac{x^{2}}{x^{2}+y^{2}}\leq 1$

Then, in a neighborhood, ${\delta}$, about (0,0), you have

$0<\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}<{\delta}$, and it

follows that, for $(x,y)\neq (0,0)$

$|f(x,y)-0|=\left|\frac{5x^{2}y}{x^{2}+y^{2}}\right|$

$=5|y|\left(\frac{x^{2}}{x^{2}+y^{2}}\right)$

$\leq 5|y|$

$\leq 5\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}$

$\leq 5{\delta}$

Therefore, hence, we can choose ${\delta}=\frac{\epsilon}{5}$

and conclude that $\lim_{(x,y)\to (0,0)}\frac{5x^{2}y}{x^{2}+y^{2}}=0$

I hope you liked this little tutorial, though, you are probably already familiar.
• June 27th 2008, 02:02 PM
Mathstud28
Quote:

Originally Posted by galactus
If I am understanding you correctly, you are right, the limit does not exist because it approaches different values along different paths.

Here is an example:

$\lim_{(x,y)\to (0,0)}\left(\frac{x^{2}-y^{2}}{x^{2}+y^{2}}\right)^{2}$

The domain of said function consists of all points in the xy-plane for the point (0,0). To show that the limit approaches (0,0) does not exist, consider approaching (0,0) along two different paths. Along the x-axis, every point has the form (x,0) and the limit is 1.

If (x,y) approaches (0,0) along y=x, we get 0

This means that in any open disc centered at (0,0) there are points (x,y) where the function takes on the value 1, and other places where it has value 0.

Therefore, it does not have a limit as $(x,y)\rightarrow (0,0)$

Now, we can conclude that the limit does not exist because we found two different values for two different approaches. If two approaches had given the same limit, we still could not have concluded the limit exists.

To form this conclusion, we must show the limit is the same along all possible approaches.

I am sure you already knew this.

Here is something else:

$\lim_{(x,y)\to (0,0)}\frac{5x^{2}y}{x^{2}+y^{2}}$

In this case, the limits of the num. and den. are both 0, so we can not determine the existence of a limit by taking the limits of the num. and den. separately and dividing.

Note that $|y|\leq\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}$

and

$\frac{x^{2}}{x^{2}+y^{2}}\leq 1$

Then, in a neighborhood, ${\delta}$, about (0,0), you have

$0<\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}<{\delta}$, and it

follows that, for $(x,y)\neq (0,0)$

$|f(x,y)-0|=\left|\frac{5x^{2}y}{x^{2}+y^{2}}\right|$

$=5|y|\left(\frac{x^{2}}{x^{2}+y^{2}}\right)$

$\leq 5|y|$

$\leq 5\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}$

$\leq 5{\delta}$

Therefore, hence, we can choose ${\delta}=\frac{\epsilon}{5}$

and conclude that $\lim_{(x,y)\to (0,0)}\frac{5x^{2}y}{x^{2}+y^{2}}=0$

I hope you liked this little tutorial, though, you are probably already familiar.

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