# r they convergent or not?

• May 16th 2008, 07:15 AM
szpengchao
r they convergent or not?
• May 16th 2008, 08:12 AM
flyingsquirrel
Hi

For the first one, you can try to show that $\left|\frac{n^3+(-1)^n8n^2+1}{n^4+(-1)^{n+1}n^2}\right|\sim\frac{1}{n}$ for $n\to\infty$. For the second one, the ratio test may be helpful.

Not completely off-topic question : If $f \sim g$ do English speaking people say that $g$ is an approximation of $f$ ? Is there another way of saying this ?
• May 16th 2008, 08:38 AM
szpengchao
sorry
sorry, i found

the first one is less or equal to (n^3+8*n^2+1)/(n^4-n^2),
i think the later one is convergent. so the first one is convergent?
• May 16th 2008, 08:46 AM
Dr Zoidburg
Quote:

Originally Posted by flyingsquirrel
Not completely off-topic question : If $f \sim g$ do English speaking people say that $g$ is an approximation of $f$ ? Is there another way of saying this ?

The only other way I can think of, off-hand, is that $g$ approximates to $f$.
• May 16th 2008, 08:51 AM
flyingsquirrel
Quote:

Originally Posted by szpengchao
the first one is less or equal to (n^3+8*n^2+1)/(n^4-n^2),
i think the later one is convergent.

It's divergent. (and according to the hint I gave you, $\sum \frac{n^3+(-1)^n8n^2+1}{n^4+(-1)^{n+1}n^2}$ can't be convergent) Anyway, the comparison test can also be used to show the divergence. :D
• May 16th 2008, 09:08 AM
szpengchao
ok
so how can u show that sequence tends to 1/n ????
• May 16th 2008, 09:16 AM
flyingsquirrel
Quote:

Originally Posted by szpengchao
so how can u show that sequence tends to 1/n ????

You can get it by showing that

$\frac{\left|\frac{n^3+(-1)^n8n^2+1}{n^4+(-1)^{n+1}n^2}\right|}{\frac{1}{n}}=\left|\frac{n^4+ (-1)^n8n^3+n}{n^4+(-1)^{n+1}n^2}\right|$

tends to 1 as $n$ approaches $\infty$. (divide the numerator and the denominator by $n^4$)
• May 16th 2008, 01:00 PM
Mathstud28
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Originally Posted by szpengchao
so how can u show that sequence tends to 1/n ????

If $\lim_{x\to{c}}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=1$
Then you can say that as $x\to{c}$ $f(x)\sim{g(x)}$