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    Another Hyperbolic function

    Given that, sinh \ y = x , show that y = ln [x+(1+x^2)^\frac{1}{2}]
    By differentiating this result, show that

     (1+x^2)(\frac {dy}{dx})^2 = 1


    Iíve done first part, but how can I differentiating this result?
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    Hello,

    Well, i think you got to differentiate \sinh(\ln(x+(1+x^2)^{1/2})), which is sinh(y)=x. This derivate should be 1, because the derivate of x is 1.

    For the derivate of \sinh(\ln(x+(1+x^2)^{1/2})), use the fog derivate.
    When you differentiate sinh, you got cosh. And cosh is \sqrt{1+\sinh^2}
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo View Post
    Hello,

    Well, i think you got to differentiate \sinh(\ln(x+(1+x^2)^{1/2})), which is sinh(y)=x. This derivate should be 1, because the derivate of x is 1.

    For the derivate of \sinh(\ln(x+(1+x^2)^{1/2})), use the fog derivate.
    When you differentiate sinh, you got cosh. And cosh is \sqrt{1+\sinh^2}
    I think sinh y = x is for first portion. Can you tell me the way how can I direct differentiate this? I tried by using ln x, dy/dx (xy).... etc. But can't solved yet.
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    Well,

    We got sinh(y)=x.

    So if we differentiate, we have :

    \frac{dy}{dx} \cosh(y) = \frac{d}{dx}x = 1 (1)

    (1)≤ will give : (\frac{dy}{dx})^2 \cosh^2(y) = 1

    \cosh^2(y)=1+\sinh^2(y)= 1+x^2

    And you obtain what you want :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moo View Post
    Well,

    We got sinh(y)=x.

    So if we differentiate, we have :

    \frac{dy}{dx} \cosh(y) = \frac{d}{dx}x = 1 (1)

    (1)≤ will give : (\frac{dy}{dx})^2 \cosh^2(y) = 1

    \cosh^2(y)=1+\sinh^2(y)= 1+x^2

    And you obtain what you want :-)
    Look in my question, there are two parts,

    first, Given that, sinh y = x, show that y = ln [x+(1+x^2)^\frac{1}{2}]

    I solved that. No problem.


    Second, By differentiating this result, show that

    (1+x^2)(\frac {dy}{dx})^2 = 1


    So why I start from sinh y = x?
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    Good luck then , i've tried to differentiate the expression of y, and it's far too complicated when the solution is here... I can't even know if i'll be able to get the result they're waiting from you
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    Quote Originally Posted by geton View Post
    Given that, sinh \ y = x , show that y = ln [x+(1+x^2)^\frac{1}{2}]
    By differentiating this result, show that

     (1+x^2)(\frac {dy}{dx})^2 = 1


    I’ve done first part, but how can I differentiating this result?
    y = \ln [x+(1+x^2)^{1/2}] .

    Let u = x+(1+x^2)^{1/2} = x + \sqrt{1 + x^2} so that y = \ln u.

    Chain rule: \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{du} \cdot \frac{du}{dx} = \frac{1}{u} \cdot \frac{du}{dx}.

    To get \frac{du}{dx} you need to differentiate (1+x^2)^{1/2}. So .... pretend for a moment that you have y = (1+x^2)^{1/2}:

    Let w = 1 + x^2 so that y = w^{1/2}.

    Chain rule: \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dw} \cdot \frac{dw}{dx} = \frac{1}{2} \, w^{-1/2} \cdot 2x = \frac{x}{\sqrt{w}} = \frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}} .

    So \frac{du}{dx} = 1 + \frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}} = \frac{\sqrt{1 + x^2} +x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}} .

    Therefore:

    \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{u} \cdot \frac{du}{dx} = \frac{1}{x+ \sqrt{1+ x^2}} \cdot \frac{\sqrt{1 + x^2} +x}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}}

     = \frac{\sqrt{1 + x^2} +x}{(x+ \sqrt{1+ x^2})\sqrt{1 + x^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 + x^2}}.

    It should be all blue sky from here.
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