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    Two easy integrals

    Integrate

    f(x)=\sqrt{1-x^2} & h(x)=\sqrt{x^2-1}
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    Quote Originally Posted by liyi View Post
    Integrate

    f(x)=\sqrt{1-x^2} & h(x)=\sqrt{x^2-1}
    Do the substitutions: x=sint for the first one and x=sect for the second.
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    I'm not sure what the user above means but I'd;

    Rearrange
    f'(x)=\sqrt{1-x^2}
    f'(x)=\sqrt{1} - \sqrt{x^2}
    f'(x)= 1^{1/2} - x
    Intergrate; add one to power, divide by new power and add c:
    f(x)= 2/3^{3/2} - 1 + c
    I don't think that can be simplified
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    Quote Originally Posted by markcantdomaths View Post
    I'm not sure what the user above means but I'd;

    Rearrange
    f'(x)=\sqrt{1-x^2}
    f'(x)=\sqrt{1} - \sqrt{x^2}
    In general \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} \neq a + b

    curvature's substitutions should work nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markcantdomaths View Post
    Rearrange
    f'(x)=\sqrt{1-x^2}
    f'(x)=\sqrt{1} - \sqrt{x^2}
    No the second equality is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liyi View Post
    Integrate

    f(x)=\sqrt{1-x^2}
    Define the function u(x) = x\sqrt {1 - x^2 } \implies u'(x) = \sqrt {1 - x^2 } - \frac{{x^2 }}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }} = 2\sqrt {1 - x^2 } - \frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }}.

    Make-up: \sqrt {1 - x^2 } = \frac{1}<br />
{2}\left[ {u'(x) + \frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }}} \right].

    Integrate \int {\sqrt {1 - x^2 } \,dx} = \frac{1}<br />
{2}\left( {x\sqrt {1 - x^2 } + \arcsin x} \right) + k.

    Quote Originally Posted by liyi View Post
    Integrate

    h(x)=\sqrt{x^2-1}
    Consider the function \varphi (x) = x\sqrt {x^2 - 1} \implies \varphi '(x) = \sqrt {x^2 - 1} + \frac{{x^2 }}<br />
{{\sqrt {x^2 - 1} }} = 2\sqrt {x^2 - 1} + \frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {x^2 - 1} }}.

    Make-up & integrate

    \int {\sqrt {x^2 - 1} \,dx} = \frac{1}<br />
{2}\left( {x\sqrt {x^2 - 1} - \int {\frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {x^2 - 1} }}\,dx} } \right)+k_1.

    For the remaining integral, substitute u=x+\sqrt{x^2-1},

    \int {\frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {x^2 - 1} }}\,dx} = \int {\frac{1}<br />
{u}\,du} = \ln \left| {x + \sqrt {x^2 - 1} } \right| + k_2.

    And we happily get \int {\sqrt {x^2 - 1} \,dx} = \frac{1}<br />
{2}\left( {x\sqrt {x^2 - 1} - \ln \left| {x + \sqrt {x^2 - 1} } \right|} \right) + k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krizalid View Post
    Define the function u(x) = x\sqrt {1 - x^2 } \implies u'(x) = \sqrt {1 - x^2 } - \frac{{x^2 }}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }} = 2\sqrt {1 - x^2 } - \frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }}.

    Make-up: \sqrt {1 - x^2 } = \frac{1}<br />
{2}\left[ {u'(x) + \frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }}} \right].

    Integrate \int {\sqrt {1 - x^2 } \,dx} = \frac{1}<br />
{2}\left( {x\sqrt {1 - x^2 } + \arcsin x} \right) + k.


    Consider the function \varphi (x) = x\sqrt {x^2 - 1} \implies \varphi '(x) = \sqrt {x^2 - 1} + \frac{{x^2 }}<br />
{{\sqrt {x^2 - 1} }} = 2\sqrt {x^2 - 1} + \frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {x^2 - 1} }}.

    Make-up & integrate

    \int {\sqrt {x^2 - 1} \,dx} = \frac{1}<br />
{2}\left( {x\sqrt {x^2 - 1} - \int {\frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {x^2 - 1} }}\,dx} } \right)+k_1.

    For the remaining integral, substitute u=x+\sqrt{x^2-1},

    \int {\frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {x^2 - 1} }}\,dx} = \int {\frac{1}<br />
{u}\,du} = \ln \left| {x + \sqrt {x^2 - 1} } \right| + k_2.

    And we happily get \int {\sqrt {x^2 - 1} \,dx} = \frac{1}<br />
{2}\left( {x\sqrt {x^2 - 1} - \ln \left| {x + \sqrt {x^2 - 1} } \right|} \right) + k.
    I understood everything except this step here:
    \sqrt {1 - x^2 } - \frac{{x^2 }}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }} = 2\sqrt {1 - x^2 } - \frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }}.

    Can you please explain it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angel.white View Post
    I understood everything except this step here:
    \sqrt {1 - x^2 } - \frac{{x^2 }}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }} = 2\sqrt {1 - x^2 } - \frac{1}<br />
{{\sqrt {1 - x^2 } }}.

    Can you please explain it.
    as in explain why it is true?

    \sqrt{1 - x^2} - \frac {x^2}{\sqrt {1 - x^2}} = \sqrt{1 - x^2} - \frac {x^2 + 1 - 1}{\sqrt {1 - x^2}}

    = \sqrt{1 - x^2} + \frac {1 - x^2}{\sqrt {1 - x^2}} - \frac 1{\sqrt {1 - x^2}}

    = \sqrt{1 - x^2} + \sqrt{1 - x^2} - \frac 1{\sqrt {1 - x^2}}

    = 2 \sqrt{1 - x^2} - \frac 1{\sqrt {1 - x^2}}
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    I see now, that's a smart way of doing business.
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