# More Implicit Differentiation

• November 29th 2007, 11:05 PM
Truthbetold
More Implicit Differentiation
$x^2+y^2=1$
Find dy/dx and the second derivative.

The answer says both derivatives equal $\frac{-x}{y}$.
The first one does, but the second derivative I got as $\frac{y}{x}$.
• November 29th 2007, 11:12 PM
Jhevon
Quote:

Originally Posted by Truthbetold
$x^2+y^2=1$
Find dy/dx and the second derivative.

The answer says both derivatives equal $\frac{-x}{y}$.
The first one does, but the second derivative I got as $\frac{y}{x}$.

and how did you get that answer?

i got neither. my answer for the second derivative was more complicated. i differentiated -x/y with the quotient rule. but you can use the product rule also
• November 30th 2007, 05:40 AM
kalagota
aww, i got $\frac{-1}{y^3}$..
• November 30th 2007, 06:09 AM
colby2152
$x^2 + y^2 = 1$
$2x\frac{dy}{dx} + 2y = 0$
$\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-y}{x}$

$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y}{-x^2}\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y}{-x^2}\frac{-y}{x} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y^2}{x^3} = \frac{-(x^2+y^2)}{x^3}$

I got something different too. Hmm, did I miss something?
• November 30th 2007, 06:41 PM
kalagota
Quote:

Originally Posted by colby2152
$x^2 + y^2 = 1$
$2x\frac{dy}{dx} + 2y = 0$
$\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-y}{x}$

$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y}{-x^2}\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y}{-x^2}\frac{-y}{x} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y^2}{x^3} = \frac{-(x^2+y^2)}{x^3}$

I got something different too. Hmm, did I miss something?

it's because, $\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-x}{y}$ and not $\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-y}{x}$.. Ü
• November 30th 2007, 06:54 PM
galactus
Quote:

Originally Posted by colby2152
$x^2 + y^2 = 1$
$2x\frac{dy}{dx} + 2y = 0$
$\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-y}{x}$

$\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y}{-x^2}\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y}{-x^2}\frac{-y}{x} = \frac{-1}{x} + \frac{-y^2}{x^3} = \frac{-(x^2+y^2)}{x^3}$

I got something different too. Hmm, did I miss something?

You're OK, except it should be $y^{3}$ in the denominator.
• November 30th 2007, 07:38 PM
colby2152
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Originally Posted by galactus
You're OK, except it should be $y^{3}$ in the denominator.

I see what I did, I flipped the derivative in the second line. It's easy to miss these things when typing them.