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    On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Two questions

    Find the derivative of f(x)= \sqrt{2x}

    I got the derivative 1\frac2\sqrt2x

    Just confirming that's correct? I have to use the first principle rule to find it.

    Second question is find the derivative of f(x) = \frac{\4}{x+1}

    I believe the derivative should be \frac{-\-4}{(x+1)^2}

    But when I work through the question (which I dont understand how to work through very well, because the example I was shown involved a 1 in the numerator not a 4)

    I end up at \frac{\1}{(x+1)^2}

    I'm not strong enough in latex to list these steps properly I dont think...

    \frac{\4}{x+h+1}-\frac{\4}{x+1}

    All of that, over h since the first principle is \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}

    I dont know how to simplify any farther correctly (or get a 3 tier fraction on LaTex), I've tried following along with my example I was shown but it doesn't work correctly I dont think.

    Any input is greatly appreciated, hopefully the LaTex helps to make my equations and stuff more clear.
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Quote Originally Posted by rhickman View Post
    Two questions

    Find the derivative of f(x)= \sqrt{2x}

    I got the derivative 1\frac2\sqrt2x

    Just confirming that's correct? I have to use the first principle rule to find it.

    Second question is find the derivative of f(x) = \frac{\4}{x+1}

    I believe the derivative should be \frac{\-4}{(x+1)^2}

    But when I work through the question (which I dont understand how to work through very well, because the example I was shown involved a 1 in the numerator not a 4)

    I end up at \frac{\1}{(x+1)^2}

    I'm not strong enough in latex to list these steps properly I dont think...

    [tex]\frac{\4}{x+h+1}-\frac{\4}{x+1}[/t ex]

    All of that, over h since the first principle is \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}
    Hi there, in the first the derivative of  f(x)= \sqrt{2x} is actually  \frac{1}{\sqrt{2x}}, do you see why?

    and with the second, while applying  f'(x) = \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = \frac{(f'(x)g(x))-(f(x)g'(x))}{(g(x))^2} you miss the negative sign,

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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Quote Originally Posted by rhickman View Post
    Two questions

    Find the derivative of f(x)= \sqrt{2x}

    I got the derivative 1\frac2\sqrt2x

    Just confirming that's correct? I have to use the first principle rule to find it.

    Second question is find the derivative of f(x) = \frac{\4}{x+1}

    I believe the derivative should be \frac{-\-4}{(x+1)^2}

    But when I work through the question (which I dont understand how to work through very well, because the example I was shown involved a 1 in the numerator not a 4)

    I end up at \frac{\1}{(x+1)^2}

    I'm not strong enough in latex to list these steps properly I dont think...

    \frac{\4}{x+h+1}-\frac{\4}{x+1}

    All of that, over h since the first principle is \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}

    I dont know how to simplify any farther correctly (or get a 3 tier fraction on LaTex), I've tried following along with my example I was shown but it doesn't work correctly I dont think.

    Any input is greatly appreciated, hopefully the LaTex helps to make my equations and stuff more clear.
    It's hard to answer your questions because you do not tell us what general principles of differentiation you know.

    Anyway, starting from first principles

    $f(x) = \dfrac{4}{x + 1} \implies f(x + h) = \dfrac{4}{x + h + 1} \implies f(x + h) - f(x) = \dfrac{4}{x + h + 1} - \dfrac{4}{x + 1} =$

    $\dfrac{4(x + 1)}{(x + 1)(x + h + 1)} - \dfrac{4(x + h + 1)}{(x + 1)(x + h + 1)} =\dfrac{4x + 4 - 4x - 4h - 4}{(x + 1)(x + h + 1)} = \dfrac{- 4h}{(x + 1)(x + h + 1)}.$

    With me to here?

    $\therefore \dfrac{f(x + h) - f(x)}{h} = \dfrac{1}{h} * \dfrac{- 4h}{(x + 1)(x + h + 1)} = \dfrac{- 4}{(x + 1)(x + h + 1)}.$

    $Now\ \displaystyle \lim_{h \rightarrow 0}(- 4) = - 4\ and\ \lim_{h \rightarrow 0}(x + 1)(x + h + 1) = (x + 1)(x + 1) = (x + 1)^2.$

    $So\ \displaystyle \lim_{h \rightarrow 0}\dfrac{- 4}{(x + 1)(x + h + 1)} = \dfrac{\displaystyle \lim_{h \rightarrow 0}(- 4)}{\displaystyle \lim_{h \rightarrow 0}(x + 1)(x + h + 1)} = \dfrac{- 4}{(x + 1)^2}.$

    There are of course simpler ways to do this.
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    thank you very much Jeff, basically you started with the inverse so \frac{-4h}{(x+1)(x+h+1)}?

    After sitting down for about an hour I got to the correct answer, still trying to figure out your steps but it will click after a few glances.

    As for question one, I didn't do the coding correctly. I meant for question ones derivative to be \frac{1}{2\sqrt2x} which is the derivative of f(x)=\sqrt{2x}
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    For question 1 is it supposed to be f(x)=2x^\frac{1}{2}

    Which then becomes 2*0.5x^{0.5-1}

    Which is then 1x^{-0.5}

    ....Im missing something I think, cause that gives me

    \frac{1}{\sqrt(x)}
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Quote Originally Posted by rhickman View Post
    thank you very much Jeff, basically you started with the inverse so \frac{-4h}{(x+1)(x+h+1)}?

    After sitting down for about an hour I got to the correct answer, still trying to figure out your steps but it will click after a few glances.

    As for question one, I didn't do the coding correctly. I meant for question ones derivative to be \frac{1}{2\sqrt2x} which is the derivative of f(x)=\sqrt{2x}
    I don't understand what you mean by inverse in this context.

    There are two ways to find a derivative: (1) apply certain laws of derivatives, which is what you normally do after the first week or so of class, or (2) apply the basic definition of a derivative. I did the latter because I don't know what laws you have learned.

    Anyway, the definitional approach actually gives you a procedure for finding a derivative.

    Definition $f'(x) = \displaystyle \lim_{h \rightarrow 0}\dfrac{f(x + h) - f(x)}{h}.$

    Procedure (from definition rather than laws)

    Write down f(x).

    Write down f(x + h)

    Write down f(x + h) - f(x)

    Simplify that difference algebraically.

    Divide the simplified difference by h (or multiply by 1/h).

    Find the limit of that quotient as h approaches 0 using the laws of limits.

    That is exactly the procedure I used.
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Quote Originally Posted by rhickman View Post
    Or is it supposed to be f(x)=2x^0.5

    Which then becomes 2*0.5x^0.5-1
    Quite frankly, I am now not exactly sure even what the function is. I think it is $f(x) = \sqrt{2x}$. Is that right?

    Please clarify what the function is and what method you used to find the derivative.
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Thanks Jeff, I actually do this stuff through correspondence, or else I would just be asking my teacher (not to be rude, because I really do appreciate the help) I am working on learning a lot of laws in this lesson. I see what you did now so thats good.

    As for the second question, yes f(x)=\sqrt{2x} is the equation
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Quote Originally Posted by rhickman View Post
    Thanks Jeff, I actually do this stuff through correspondence, or else I would just be asking my teacher (not to be rude, because I really do appreciate the help) I am working on learning a lot of laws in this lesson. I see what you did now so thats good.

    As for the second question, yes f(x)=\sqrt{2x} is the equation
    Notice that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{2x} = \sqrt{2}\,\sqrt{x} = 2^{\frac{1}{2}}\,x^{\frac{1}{2}} \end{align*}$, this is what you would set f(x) as.
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Quote Originally Posted by Prove It View Post
    Notice that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{2x} = \sqrt{2}\,\sqrt{x} = 2^{\frac{1}{2}}\,x^{\frac{1}{2}} \end{align*}$, this is what you would set f(x) as.
    I see that but what I dont see is where I would go from there.

    I think my answer should be  \frac{1}{\sqrt{2x}} at this point, but I may not have followed along clearly enough. My page is such a mess I can't even follow my own writing


    EDIT: I may have understood it!

    2^{0.5}x^{0.5}

    =2^{0.5-1}x^{0.5-1}

    2^{-0.5}x^{-0.5}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}\sqrt{x}}

    Which finally becomes =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2x}}
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Have you been taught the rule for derivatives: $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}x} \,\left( k\,x^n \right) = k\,n\,x^{n-1} \end{align*}$?
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Yes I have. For example

    derivative of

    3x^{2}

    =2*3x^{(2-1)}

    =6x
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    Yes, so in your case you just have that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} k = 2^{\frac{1}{2}} \end{align*}$ and $\displaystyle \begin{align*} n = \frac{1}{2} \end{align*}$. Apply the rule...
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    When I apply that rule I end up at

    (2)(\frac{1}{2})x^{0.5-1}

    Which gets me x^{-0.5} or \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}
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    Re: On To Calculus - derivatives help

    The Power Rule

    (\frac{1}{2})(2x)^{.5-1}*2

    =2x^{-0.5} or \frac{1}{\sqrt{2x}}

    Or is that wrong?
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