# Thread: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

1. ## Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

Two bodies have been found. The wife was found dead inside the heated home where the temperature was maintained at 22 degrees celsius. The husband dragged himself outside, where the outside temperature during the preceding day was 8 to 12 degrees celsius.

The doctor took the temperatures of the body as soon as they arrived:
Wife: 33 degrees celsius
Husband: 26 degrees celsius

Who died first? Develop a model to help decide this question.

I'm really unsure of what to do. If I set up equations for both of the bodies, I still have a variable k, and the varying outside temperature is really confusing me. Help super apprecitaed.

2. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

Hey iamapineapple.

Hint: What is the functional model for the temperature as a function of time for Newtons law of cooling? (If you get this then you can setup your simultaneous equations and solve).

3. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

$\displaystyle \frac{dT}{dt}$ = $\displaystyle -k ( T - T\subscribttext{s})$

and $\displaystyle T = Ae\textsuperscript{-kt} + T\subscribttext{s}$

4. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

Do you have information about the A constants for each equation (ie husband and wife)?

I'm not exactly sure you have enough information to solve this problem. You need information about the constants such that you can solve for t in both equations and since you have three constants per equation, it means you need six pieces of information (A, k, and s). In your question, you are given 4.

You need to either get new information or assume something to get a unique answer.

5. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

This is why the question is so hard! This is all of the information I get

6. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

I think you should ask your teacher/lecturer if there is anything else you can assume.

Just mention the part about not having enough information and I'm sure they will understand.

7. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

I assumed that body temperature was 37 degrees initially.

8. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

The assumption I made at the other site is that since both the husband and wife are composed of essentially the same material and are similarly shaped, then it is reasonable to assume the heat transfer coefficient $\displaystyle k$ is the same for both bodies. So then we may compare the quantity $\displaystyle kt$ for both bodies.

9. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

Hey again :P

@chiro, Mark's been helping me out here: http:///questions-other-sites-52/no-...html#post27975

It's really good if you'd like to check it out.

10. ## Re: Newton's law of cooling, who died first? Extremely hard

http://math help boards.com/questions-other-sites-52/no-ones-question-yahoo-answers-regarding-newtons-law-cooling-6127.html