Limit of a term involvin sum

Ok guys, it seems that I have become rusty since I cant find an apropriate way to tackle the following limit:

. (Wondering)

I really would appreciate any advice.

So far (I think) I have found both upper and lower boundary on the sum (probably not the best one) but thats all I got at the moment. Here goes...

Now it seems one can conlude that

.

That means that .

So even if I'm right with all the above (which is not necessarily the case (Happy) ) , that still doesn't give me the exact value of the limit, so I'm pretty much stuck. I hope it is something trivial that I'm overlooking and that someone can direct me, give me a push, towards the solution.

Thanks in advance, MathoMan. (Bow)

PS. I have tried using Wolfram Mathematica and Wolfram Alpha but they both went numb on this one. So I evaluated the expression under the limit operator for n=100000 and got the number 2.335424 and also for n=1000000 in which case the outcome was 2.33549083. So I'm pretty much out of ideas.(Doh)

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I've worked out e*(e-1) as an upper bound, which curiously appears to be twice the value of the sequence for large n. Thus I think the limit is e*(e-1)/2, but I'm having trouble proving it. Maybe this will help you.

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I'm still with this one. Its 7am here now, but tonight I'll see into it. Thank you very much for your response Lord Voldemort (where are the others, I wonder), I really appreciate it.

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I was hoping someone could enlighten us, but I'll show you how I arrived to a better upper bound of e:

Let ; note that so we have and thus so we can say:

which has a nice representation (see the second one: List of mathematical series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ). Thus:

The approach I tried before that led to as an upper bound was similar except I used the fact that

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You really went the extra mile with your reply and I thank you for it. And as you mentioned in your previous reply, everything points in the direction of e*(e-1)/2 being the correct answer with the only 'minor' problem of giving a correct mathematical proof.

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If you figure out how to prove this, please follow up in a post. I'm curious now. Where did this problem come from?

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Here's how I did it. First pull out the e from outside of the summation. Now expand using the Taylor series expansion for e^x. Now multiply this by . You get . Now consider . The leading term of this is . Now this is the only term that matters in the limit since it is being divided by . So it reduces to . Factoring out the 1/2 from this we get which is nothing but . This sum is equal to e -1. So the answer is . Hope this helps (Wink)

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That's pretty, I really do love Taylor series. Thanks for the response!

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THANKS... twizter, if you ever plan on coming down to visit Croatia, let me know. I owe you a beer, scratch that, I owe you dinner and a beer! ;) )! Thanks both of you for your replies.

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You are welcome, Mathoman. I have no plans of visiting Croatia anytime soon but I will keep that in the back of my mind (Beer) (Wink)

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Lord Voldemort you're in the round too! :)

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**twizter** You are welcome, Mathoman. I have no plans of visiting Croatia anytime soon but I will keep that in the back of my mind (Beer) (Wink)

My old man used to say: "Go treat yourself to a beer. Send me the bill." :D

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Idea: write down a Riemann sum for the following