# Critical points/ Abs. max/min values

• May 25th 2013, 03:28 PM
Oldspice1212
Critical points/ Abs. max/min values
Hey guys so I need help on two questions that I'm sort of stuck on.

1. Find the critical numbers of the given function: f(x) = 2x3+x2+2x

So I got f'(x) = 6x2+2x+2

Factored out the 2(3x2+x+1)

I can't factor this out anymore, so is the answer there are no critical numbers?

2. Find the absolute max and min values of f on the given interval.

√ = square root

f(t) = 3√t * (8-t), [0,8]

So I used product rule on this one and got

f'(t) = 3/2√t * (8-t) - 3√t = 0

3(8-t)-3√t = 0

So, I'm uncertain about the critical numbers here as well are they 8 and 0?

• May 25th 2013, 03:41 PM
Shakarri
Re: Critical points/ Abs. max/min values
1) If you sketch a cubic equation you will see that it has no maximum or minimum.

2) There's a mistake in your differentiation of t1/3
• May 25th 2013, 04:46 PM
Oldspice1212
Re: Critical points/ Abs. max/min values
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Originally Posted by Shakarri
1) If you sketch a cubic equation you will see that it has no maximum or minimum.

2) There's a mistake in your differentiation of t1/3

Yeah I just noticed the derivative was wrong for number 2.

For 1 do I just leave my answer as it is? and write no critical points then?
• May 25th 2013, 09:13 PM
ibdutt
Re: Critical points/ Abs. max/min values
For the first one the reason is that the quadratic 3x^2+x+1 does not have real roots. Its discriminant is negative so it has imaginary roots and hence no critical points.
• May 25th 2013, 09:21 PM
ibdutt
Re: Critical points/ Abs. max/min values
• May 25th 2013, 09:29 PM
Oldspice1212
Re: Critical points/ Abs. max/min values
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Originally Posted by ibdutt

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Originally Posted by ibdutt
For the first one the reason is that the quadratic 3x^2+x+1 does not have real roots. Its discriminant is negative so it has imaginary roots and hence no critical points.

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Haha, thanks a lot for both of the questions. You are the best!
• May 25th 2013, 09:56 PM
Oldspice1212
Re: Critical points/ Abs. max/min values
So the only critical point for question 2 will be 0, and when looking for absolute max/ min, with the intervals, the f(x) would give 0 for both the numbers in the interval. So, is it possible to have a abs. max/min on the same point?
• May 26th 2013, 01:08 PM
x3bnm
Re: Critical points/ Abs. max/min values
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Originally Posted by Oldspice1212
So the only critical point for question 2 will be 0, and when looking for absolute max/ min, with the intervals, the f(x) would give 0 for both the numbers in the interval. So, is it possible to have a abs. max/min on the same point?

No same point can't be both absolute min and max at the same time.

First you find the critical points $\displaystyle c = \{c_1, c_2, c_3, ...\}$ by letting $\displaystyle \frac{d(f(x))}{dx} = 0$ and solving for $\displaystyle x$

then take one critical point and say it's $\displaystyle c$ and do second derivative test. Second derivative test is:

if $\displaystyle \frac{d(f(c))}{dx^2} > 0$ then $\displaystyle c$ is absolute/local minimum.
or on the other hand if $\displaystyle \frac{d(f(c))}{dx^2} < 0$ then $\displaystyle c$ is absolute/local maximum.

Now if this second derivative test shows that you've multiple mins and/or maxes or you're asked to find local min/max in an interval ( $\displaystyle x = a$ to $\displaystyle x = b$ ) then plugin the values of critical points and/or both ends of interval into $\displaystyle f(x)$ and see which one is max and which one is min.

If second derivative of a function doesn't exist then use First derivative test which you can find by using Google.

Hope this helps.