Hello.

How to find ∇||r||, r=xi+yj+zk||

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My first step:

||^2r= r‧r

then don't know how to continue.

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- February 1st 2013, 08:04 PMhappymatthematicsFind ∇||r||
Hello.

How to find ∇||**r**||, r=x**i**+y**j**+z**k**||

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My first step:

||^2**r****= r**‧**r**

then don't know how to continue.

- February 1st 2013, 09:13 PMchiroRe: Find ∇||r||
Hey happymatthematics.

Hint: Note that in R^3, r.r = x^2 + y^2 + z^2. With grad = (d/dx,d/dy,d/dz) you need to apply each differential operator to ||r|| to get the answer. (Think about differentiating SQRT(x^2 + y^2 + z^2) with respect to each variable). - February 1st 2013, 09:45 PMhappymatthematicsRe: Find ∇||r||
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I've tried the method you told me, but

haha, My teacher required us to use suffix notation.

Can you teach me how to solve this problem with suffix notation? - February 1st 2013, 09:48 PMchiroRe: Find ∇||r||
The RHS will be ||r||^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2.

- February 1st 2013, 09:54 PMhappymatthematicsRe: Find ∇||r||
but how to represent ||r||^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 in suffix notation?

or how to find ∇||r|| using suffix notation? - February 1st 2013, 10:04 PMchiroRe: Find ∇||r||
Do you mean differentiating in terms of d/d||r||? If this is the case you need to use the chain rule where ||r|| = f(x,y,z) and then link d/dr to d/dx, d/dy, and d/dz.

Remember that d/dr(r^2) = 2r. - February 1st 2013, 10:11 PMhappymatthematicsRe: Find ∇||r||
Is d/dr ||r|| = ∇||r|| ?

and is d/dr (**r**‧**r**) = ∂i (ri ri) ?

- February 1st 2013, 10:25 PMchiroRe: Find ∇||r||
I may agree with you but I have to ask what your definition of r is with respect to the derivative (and also how you link r with x,y,z in terms of the derivatives and the chain rule)?

- February 1st 2013, 10:32 PMhappymatthematicsRe: Find ∇||r||
**r**=(x,y,z)

but can I use**r**(a vector) to be a variable in differentiation?

d/d**r**seems strange - February 1st 2013, 10:38 PMchiroRe: Find ∇||r||
You can, but you have to define the mapping.

It may not seem intuitive but all that is happening is that you are dealing with a multi-variable situation that is mapping things between elements of a vector.

With the grad operator you have a vector definition (d/dx,d/dy,d/dz) and you are simply mapping things to different elements of a vector.

The general derivative operator for a multi-variable scenario is just a matrix of derivatives which also happens to be a linear object. - February 1st 2013, 10:42 PMhappymatthematicsRe: Find ∇||r||
I've asked my classmate and she said the professor will send us the solution tomorrow. haha.

Thank you chiro.

Sorry for wasting your time!!

I think suffix notation is my enemy!! :(

I lack mathematics intuition and inspiration, but I will work hard!