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    Multivariable calculus (implicit function)

    Let z a function of x,y near (2,1,-1) that is determined by x^2z+xyz^3=-6. If x(t)=t^3-3t and y(t) =3t^2-6t+1, find \frac{dz}{dt} for t=2.
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    Re: Multivariable calculus (implicit function)

    Quote Originally Posted by kareman View Post
    Let z a function of x,y near (2,1,-1) that is determined by x^2*z+x*y*z^3=-6. If x(t)=t^3-3t and y(t) =3t^2-6t+1, find dz/dt for t=2.
    1. Substitute the functions of t into z.

    2. Differentiate both sides implicitly with respect to t.

    3. Solve for dz/dt.
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    Re: Multivariable calculus (implicit function)

    Thank you for your response. Could you please check the following?

    1. Substitute the functions of t into z.

    (t^3-3t)^2z+(t^3-3t)(3t^2-6t+1)z^3=-6

    2. Differentiate both sides implicitly with respect to t.

    2(t^3-3t)(3t^2-3)z + (t^3-3t)^2 \frac{dz}{dt} + \frac{d[(3t^5-6t^4+t^3-9t^3+18t^2-3t)z^3 ]}{dt}=0

    For t=2:
    2(2^3-3(2))(3(2)^2-3)z + (2^3-3(2))^2 \frac{dz}{dt} +\frac{d[(3(2)^5-6(2)^4+2^3-9(2)^3+18(2)^2-3(2)) z^3]}{dt}=0\Rightarrow2z(2)(9)+4\frac{dz}{dt}+\frac{d[(96-96+8-72+72-6) z^3 ]}{dt}=0\Rightarrow36z+4\frac{dz}{dt}+\frac{d[2z^3]}{dt}=0

    3. Solve for \frac{dz}{dt}.
    36z + 4 \frac{dz}{dt} + 6z^2\frac{dz}{dt}=0\Rightarrow\frac{dz}{dt}=\frac{-36z}{6z^2+4}

    For z=-1:
    \frac{dz}{dt} (z=-1) = \frac{-36(-1)}{6(-1)^2+4}=\frac{36}{10}=3.6
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    Re: Multivariable calculus (implicit function)

    Quote Originally Posted by kareman View Post
    Thank you for your response. Could you please check the following?

    1. Substitute the functions of t into z.

    (t^3-3t)^2z+(t^3-3t)(3t^2-6t+1)z^3=-6

    2. Differentiate both sides implicitly with respect to t.

    2(t^3-3t)(3t^2-3)z + (t^3-3t)^2 \frac{dz}{dt} + \frac{d[(3t^5-6t^4+t^3-9t^3+18t^2-3t)z^3 ]}{dt}=0

    For t=2:
    2(2^3-3(2))(3(2)^2-3)z + (2^3-3(2))^2 \frac{dz}{dt} +\frac{d[(3(2)^5-6(2)^4+2^3-9(2)^3+18(2)^2-3(2)) z^3]}{dt}=0\Rightarrow2z(2)(9)+4\frac{dz}{dt}+\frac{d[(96-96+8-72+72-6) z^3 ]}{dt}=0\Rightarrow36z+4\frac{dz}{dt}+\frac{d[2z^3]}{dt}=0

    3. Solve for \frac{dz}{dt}.
    36z + 4 \frac{dz}{dt} + 6z^2\frac{dz}{dt}=0\Rightarrow\frac{dz}{dt}=\frac{-36z}{6z^2+4}

    For z=-1:
    \frac{dz}{dt} (z=-1) = \frac{-36(-1)}{6(-1)^2+4}=\frac{36}{10}=3.6
    You should evaluate the derivative fully before substituting any points...
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    Re: Multivariable calculus (implicit function)

    Might be quicker to differentiate both sides of given equation with respect to x. Hence find dz/dx then use dz/dt=dz/dx times dx/dt
    dy/dx will occur but you can get that from dy/dt and dx/dt
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    Re: Multivariable calculus (implicit function)

    Quote Originally Posted by Prove It View Post
    You should evaluate the derivative fully before substituting any points...
    Yes, I should have evaluated the derivative first! The right solution is the following:

    2(t^3-3t)(3t^2-3)z+(t^3-3t)^2\frac{dz}{dt}+(15t^4-24t^3+3t^2-27t^2+36t-3)z^3+(3t^5-6t^4+t^3-9t^3+18t^2-3t)3z^2\frac{dz}{dt}=0

    Now substituting t=2 gives:

    2(2^3-3(2))(3(2)^2-3)z+(2^3-3(2))^2\frac{dz}{dt}+(15(2)^4-24(2)^3+3(2)^2-27(2)^2+36(2)-3)z^3+(3(2)^5-6(2)^4+(2)^3-9(2)^3+18(2)^2-3(2))3(-1)^2\frac{dz}{dt}

    =>36z+4\frac{dz}{dt}+21z^3+6z^2\frac{dz}{dt}

    Solving for \frac{dz}{dt}:

    \frac{dz}{dt}=\frac{-21z^3-36z}{6z^2+4}

    and for z=-2:

    \frac{dz}{dt}=\frac{-21(-1)^3-36(-1)}{6(-1)^2+4}=\frac{57}{10}=5.7
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    Re: Multivariable calculus (implicit function)

    Quote Originally Posted by biffboy View Post
    Might be quicker to differentiate both sides of given equation with respect to x. Hence find dz/dx then use dz/dt=dz/dx times dx/dt
    dy/dx will occur but you can get that from dy/dt and dx/dt
    I found it easier to set the function F(x,y,z)=x^2z+xyz^3+6=0 and use the chain rule:

    \frac{dF}{dt}=\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt}+\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt}+\frac{\partial F}{\partial z}\frac{dz}{dt}=(2xz+yz^3)(3t^2-3)+(xz^3)(6t-6)+(x^2+3xyz^2)\frac{dz}{dt}=0

    Solving for \frac{dz}{dt} gives

    \frac{dz}{dt}=-\frac{(2xz+yz^3)(3t^2-3)+(xz^3)(6t-6)}{x^2+3xyz^2}

    At point (2,1,-1) and for t=2 the result is

    \frac{dz}{dt}=5.7

    which is the same as the above method.
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    Re: Multivariable calculus (implicit function)

    Yes indeed. And you could have shortened this a little. You didn't need to write out the expression for dz/dt as the numbers could have gone straight in to the previous line.
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