# Closed Curve Integral

• Jan 11th 2012, 11:06 AM
bugatti79
Closed Curve Integral
Folks,

Find a simple closed curve with counter clockwise rotation that maximizes the value of $\displaystyle \int_{C} \frac{1}{3} y^3 dx + (x-\frac{1}{3} x^3) dx$

If I apply greens theoremI calculate $\displaystyle \int \int_R (1-x^2-y^2) dA= \int_{0}^{2 \pi} \int_{0}^{1} (1-r^2)r dr d \theta = \frac{1}{2}$...?
• Jan 11th 2012, 01:35 PM
Ridley
Re: Closed Curve Integral
Everything looks good except your answer. That integral does not evaluate to 1/2.

You want to maximize $\displaystyle 2\pi \int_a^b f'(r)dr=2\pi(f(b)-f(a))$ where $\displaystyle f'(r)=(1-r^2)r$. Setting $\displaystyle f'(r)=0$ reveals where f has its min and max.
• Jan 11th 2012, 10:40 PM
bugatti79
Re: Closed Curve Integral
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ridley
Everything looks good except your answer. That integral does not evaluate to 1/2.

You want to maximize $\displaystyle 2\pi \int_a^b f'(r)dr=2\pi(f(b)-f(a))$ where $\displaystyle f'(r)=(1-r^2)r$. Setting $\displaystyle f'(r)=0$ reveals where f has its min and max.

Sorry, that answer is a typo. It should read pi / 2.

How come we dont calculate a numerical answer even though the limits are specified..
• Jan 11th 2012, 11:50 PM
chisigma
Re: Closed Curve Integral
Quote:

Originally Posted by bugatti79
Folks,

Find a simple closed curve with counter clockwise rotation that maximizes the value of $\displaystyle \int_{C} \frac{1}{3} y^3 dx + (x-\frac{1}{3} x^3) dx$

If I apply greens theoremI calculate $\displaystyle \int \int_R (1-x^2-y^2) dA= \int_{0}^{2 \pi} \int_{0}^{1} (1-r^2)r dr d \theta = \frac{1}{2}$...?

The request was to find the close curve C that maximizes the integral $\displaystyle \int_{C} f(r)\ dr$. In Your computation You suppose that C is the unity circle without supplying a prove of that...

Kind regards

$\displaystyle \chi$ $\displaystyle \sigma$
• Jan 12th 2012, 12:16 AM
chisigma
Re: Closed Curve Integral
Because $\displaystyle x^{2}+y^{2}$ is 'invariant to rotation' we can suppose that C is a circle centered in the origin and with radious R, so that we have to find the R that maximizes the contour integral. We can write...

$\displaystyle \int \int_{A} (1-x^{2}-y^{2})\ dx\ dy = 2\ \pi\ \int_{0}^{R} (1-r^{2})\ r\ dr$ (1)

If we compute the derivative of the (1) respect to R we find that it vanishes for $\displaystyle R\ (1-R^{2})=0$ so that R=1 is the requested value and the curve is [effectively...] the unity circle...

Kind regards

$\displaystyle \chi$ $\displaystyle \sigma$
• Jan 12th 2012, 09:27 AM
bugatti79
Re: Closed Curve Integral
Quote:

Originally Posted by chisigma
Because $\displaystyle x^{2}+y^{2}$ is 'invariant to rotation' we can suppose that C is a circle centered in the origin and with radious R, so that we have to find the R that maximizes the contour integral. We can write...

$\displaystyle \int \int_{A} (1-x^{2}-y^{2})\ dx\ dy = 2\ \pi\ \int_{0}^{R} (1-r^{2})\ r\ dr$ (1)

If we compute the derivative of the (1) respect to R we find that it vanishes for $\displaystyle R\ (1-R^{2})=0$ so that R=1 is the requested value and the curve is [effectively...] the unity circle...

Kind regards

$\displaystyle \chi$ $\displaystyle \sigma$

1) Looking at the double integral alone with the limits, without any concern for maximising...the answer is pi/2?

2) Where did you get that term R(1-R^2)

3) I find this conflicting with post #2..

THanks