Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

Hi, Kristenx2 again. Same take-home test.

I missed the day we did antiderivatives, but is seems easy enough... I hope.

My only issue is when it comes to the chain rule... Trig functions screw me up.

I would just appreciate someone checking my work for the first, and possibly showing me how to do the second. I know I should use the quotient rule, but really.

*Since I can't make that fancy antiderivative squiggle line, I will substitute with / *

(a) /(3sec*x*tan*x*+7sec^2*x*)*dx*

=3/2sec^2*x*+7tan*x*+c

(b) /(3*x*^3+5*x*^7)

--------------------------- *dx*

(square root of *x*)

= ? :(

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

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Originally Posted by

**Kristenx2** Hi, Kristenx2 again. Same take-home test.

I missed the day we did antiderivatives, but is seems easy enough... I hope.

My only issue is when it comes to the chain rule... Trig functions screw me up.

I would just appreciate someone checking my work for the first, and possibly showing me how to do the second. I know I should use the quotient rule, but really.

*Since I can't make that fancy antiderivative squiggle line, I will substitute with / *

(a) /(3sec*x*tan*x*+7sec^2*x*)*dx*

=3/2sec^2*x*+7tan*x*+c

(b) /(3*x*^3+5*x*^7)

--------------------------- *dx*

(square root of *x*)

= ? :(

Where does the chain rule come into this?

For a) **Differentiate** $\displaystyle sec(x)+tan(x)$. You should notice something which should make the integration easier.

For b), we have:

$\displaystyle \int\frac{3x^3+5x^7}{\sqrt{x}}}dx$

$\displaystyle =\int (\frac{3x^3}{\sqrt{x}}+\frac{5x^7}{\sqrt{x}}})dx$

$\displaystyle =\int (3x^{\frac{5}{2}}+5x^{\frac{13}{2}})~dx$

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

Oh! Thank you for your help! As you can see, I'm horribly confused, so I'm very unsure as to where anything comes in.

I was looking on other sites as to how to do antiderivatives when there is a quotient, and they just said to flip it up.

So I have

/(3x^3+5x^7)(x^-1/2)dx.

And ended up with

6/7x^7/2+1/3x^15/2+c. I just used the power rule. I can use that even when there are constants, right?

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

I think you really need a catch up session with your teacher. Also, for part b) I did most of the work for you. It should be $\displaystyle \frac{6}{7}x^{\frac{7}{2}}+\frac{2}{3}x^\frac{15}{ 2}+C$ Did you manage to get anywhere with part a)?

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

Me, too. I noticed you got 2/3 where I got 1/3, that's probably just a mistake in my math.

For the first one, would it just be

3sec^2x+7tanx+c?

Just leave the constants and figure out what makes the trig functions?

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

No, did you try what I suggested in post #2?

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

Yes, I got sec(x)tan(x)+sec^2(x), which does look an awful lot like the original problem!

However, how do I get the coefficients to come into play?

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

The coefficients don't change, as we have:

$\displaystyle \int(3sec(x)tan(x)+7sec^2(x))~dx$

$\displaystyle \int{3}sec(x)tan(x)~dx+\int{7sec^2(x)}~dx$

$\displaystyle =3\int{sec(x)tan(x)}~dx + 7\int{sec^2(x)}~dx$

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

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**Kristenx2** Hi, Kristenx2 again. Same take-home test.

I missed the day we did antiderivatives, but is seems easy enough... I hope.

My only issue is when it comes to the chain rule... Trig functions screw me up.

I would just appreciate someone checking my work for the first, and possibly showing me how to do the second. I know I should use the quotient rule, but really.

*Since I can't make that fancy antiderivative squiggle line, I will substitute with / *

(a) /(3sec*x*tan*x*+7sec^2*x*)*dx*

=3/2sec^2*x*+7tan*x*+c

(b) /(3*x*^3+5*x*^7)

--------------------------- *dx*

(square root of *x*)

= ? :(

This is just a matter of personal preference, but I don't like having to remember lots of integration formulas. For trigonometric functions I really only ever remember $\displaystyle \displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{\cos{x}\,dx} = \sin{x} + C, \int{\sin{x}\,dx} = -\cos{x} + C \end{align*} $ and $\displaystyle \displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{\sec^2{x}\,dx} = \tan{x} + C \end{align*} $. Every other time I'll try to convert the integrand into some combination of these...

$\displaystyle \displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{3\sec{x}\tan{x} + 7\sec^2{x}\,dx} &= 3\int{\sec{x}\tan{x}\,dx} + 7\int{\sec^2{x}\,dx} \\ &= 3\int{\frac{1}{\cos{x}} \cdot \frac{\sin{x}}{\cos{x}}\,dx} + 7\tan{x} + C \\ &= 3\int{\cos^{-2}{x}\sin{x}\,dx} + 7\tan{x} + C \\ &= -3\int{\cos^{-2}{x}\left(-\sin{x}\right) dx} + 7\tan{x} + C \end{align*} $

Now make the substitution $\displaystyle \displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \cos{x} \implies du = -\sin{x}\,dx \end{align*} $ and the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \displaystyle \begin{align*} -3\int{\cos^{-2}{x}\left(-\sin{x}\right) dx} + 7\tan{x} + C &= -3\int{u^{-2}\,du} + 7\tan{x} + C \\ &= \frac{-3u^{-1}}{-1} + 7\tan{x} + C \\ &= \frac{3}{\cos{x}} + 7\tan{x} + C \\ &= 3\sec{x} + 7\tan{x} + C\end{align*} $

which is the same answer you would get using the other method as well, seeing as $\displaystyle \displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{d}{dx}\left(\sec{x}\right) = \sec{x}\tan{x} \end{align*} $ as you found before :)

Re: Indefinite Integrals (Antiderivatives)

Is a take-home test meant to be your own work?

Thread closed. See rule #6: http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-he...hp?do=vsarules.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by

**Kristenx2** Hi, Kristenx2 again. Same take-home test.

I missed the day we did antiderivatives, but is seems easy enough... I hope.

My only issue is when it comes to the chain rule... Trig functions screw me up.

I would just appreciate someone checking my work for the first, and possibly showing me how to do the second. I know I should use the quotient rule, but really.

*Since I can't make that fancy antiderivative squiggle line, I will substitute with / *

(a) /(3sec*x*tan*x*+7sec^2*x*)*dx*

=3/2sec^2*x*+7tan*x*+c

(b) /(3*x*^3+5*x*^7)

--------------------------- *dx*

(square root of *x*)

= ? :(