# x(u,v),y(u,v) to u(x,y),v(x,y)

• Dec 16th 2010, 08:27 AM
waytogo
x(u,v),y(u,v) to u(x,y),v(x,y)
Can anybody help with this:
I have $x=u+sin v, y=v+cos u$. How to extract u,v as functions from x,y, i.e. to get u(x,y) and v(x,y)?
• Dec 16th 2010, 12:38 PM
HallsofIvy
Essentially, you want to solve the two non-linear equations x= u+ sin v, y= v+ cos u for u and v in terms of x and y. I doubt that there will be any elementary solution for that.
• Dec 16th 2010, 12:56 PM
waytogo
yes, i believe in that, so i am looking for some particular step which could make this task easier.
• Dec 16th 2010, 01:34 PM
snowtea
Does a problem specifically ask for u(x,y) and v(x,y)?

Because if it is only asking for derivatives at certain points, you don't actually need the explicit formulas.
• Dec 16th 2010, 01:42 PM
waytogo
$x=u+sin(v)$
$y=v+cos(u)$
$z(u,v)=uv^2$
Find $\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} + \frac {\partial z}{\partial y}$ at point $(\frac {\pi +3}{3} , \frac {\pi +1}{3}).$
So I must find $\frac{\partial z}{\partial u} \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}$, $\frac{\partial z}{\partial u} \frac{\partial u}{\partial y}$, $\frac{\partial z}{\partial v} \frac{\partial v}{\partial x}$, $\frac{\partial z}{\partial v} \frac{\partial v}{\partial y}$.
• Dec 16th 2010, 01:51 PM
snowtea
Right, so you don't actually need the explicit formula.

For example, to find $\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}$ and $\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}$.

Take the partials of the equations directly (independent variables are $x,y$):
$
\frac{\partial x}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial u}{\partial x} + \cos(v)\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}
$

$
\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial v}{\partial x} - \sin(u)\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}
$

Note that $\frac{\partial x}{\partial x} = 1$ and $\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}=0$.

Solve this system of linear equations at the given point for $\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}$.

Similar process for other derivatives.

Note you do need to solve for u and v at the point $(\frac {\pi +3}{3} , \frac {\pi +1}{3})$, and you use these values when evaluating things like sin(u).
• Dec 16th 2010, 03:34 PM
Jester
Quote:

Originally Posted by waytogo
$x=u+sin(v)$
$y=v+cos(u)$
$z(u,v)=uv^2$
Find $\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} + \frac {\partial z}{\partial y}$ at point $(\frac {\pi +3}{3} , \frac {\pi +1}{3}).$
So I must find $\frac{\partial z}{\partial u} \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}$, $\frac{\partial z}{\partial u} \frac{\partial u}{\partial y}$, $\frac{\partial z}{\partial v} \frac{\partial v}{\partial x}$, $\frac{\partial z}{\partial v} \frac{\partial v}{\partial y}$.

Do you know about Jacobians? I would suggest you check the point. It looks a little dubious.
• Dec 17th 2010, 02:37 AM
HallsofIvy
Is $\left(\frac{\pi+ 3}{3}, \frac{\pi+ 1}{3}\right)$ (x, y) or (u, v)?
• Dec 17th 2010, 04:54 AM
waytogo
the point was incorrect, the actual point is $(\frac{\pi+3}{3},\frac{\pi+1}{2})$.
If I have caught your idea, I should use theorem about the inverse Jacobian?
• Dec 17th 2010, 06:03 AM
Jester
The point now makes sense. Yes, inverse Jacobians is the way I would do this.