1. ## Local Minimum and Maximum; Saddle Point

Hi everyone. I have a question on one of my homework problems.

Q. Find the local max./min. values and the saddle point(s) of the function $\displaystyle f(x,y) = (x^2+y^2)e^{y^2-x^2}$

So I started doing this problem and it was looking really messy so I went on cramster and got this:

Step 1

Step 2

Step 3

so critical points are (0,0), (1,0), and (-1,0)

Step 4

Step 5

at (0,0):
at (1,0):
at (-1,0):

Therefore, f has a local minimum of 0 at (0,0) and saddle points at (1,0) and (-1,0).

The answer is correct but the work makes no sense. When computing $\displaystyle f_x$, $\displaystyle y^2e^{y^2-x^2}$ was completely neglected. $\displaystyle f_x$ should have been:

$\displaystyle f_x = 2xe^{y^2-x^2}-2x^3e^{y^2-x^2} -2xy^2e^{y^2-x^2} = 0$

Same problem with $\displaystyle f_y$

Is there something wrong with the solution or am I doing something wrong?

2. Originally Posted by lilaziz1
Hi everyone. I have a question on one of my homework problems.

Q. Find the local max./min. values and the saddle point(s) of the function $\displaystyle f(x,y) = (x^2+y^2)e^{y^2-x^2}$

So I started doing this problem and it was looking really messy so I went on cramster and got this:

Step 1

Step 2

There's already a mistake here since you forgot to differentiate the second summand above. It should be:

$\displaystyle f_x=2xe^{y^2-x^2}-2x^3e^{y^2-x^2}-2xy^2e^{y^2-x^2}=0\Longrightarrow 2xe^{y^2-x^2}(1-x^2-y^2)=0$ , and this

alone already tells you that all the points on the unit circle around the origin are zeroes of this derivative...

Likewise $\displaystyle f_y$ is wrong...you seem to have some problems with partial derivatives. Check this.

Tonio

Step 3

so critical points are (0,0), (1,0), and (-1,0)

Step 4

Step 5

at (0,0):
at (1,0):
at (-1,0):

Therefore, f has a local minimum of 0 at (0,0) and saddle points at (1,0) and (-1,0).

The answer is correct but the work makes no sense. When computing $\displaystyle f_x$, $\displaystyle y^2e^{y^2-x^2}$ was completely neglected. $\displaystyle f_x$ should have been:

$\displaystyle f_x = 2xe^{y^2-x^2}-2x^3e^{y^2-x^2} -2xy^2e^{y^2-x^2} = 0$

Same problem with $\displaystyle f_y$

Is there something wrong with the solution or am I doing something wrong?

.

3. Ah okay. As I stated at the end of the thread, those mistakes are not mine. they are from cramster. I also corrected $\displaystyle f_x$ in the first thread. Anyhow, my question is what do you mean by, "this alone already tells you that all the points on the unit circle around the origin are zeroes of this derivative..." How does it tell you that?

4. Originally Posted by lilaziz1
Ah okay. As I stated at the end of the thread, those mistakes are not mine. they are from cramster. I also corrected $\displaystyle f_x$ in the first thread. Anyhow, my question is what do you mean by, "this alone already tells you that all the points on the unit circle around the origin are zeroes of this derivative..." How does it tell you that?

Check the corrected $\displaystyle f_x$ . This can be equal to zero if $\displaystyle 1-x^2-y^2=0\Longleftrightarrow x^2+y^2=1$ , and this last eq.

describes the unit circle centered at the origin...

Tonio

5. Yes I got that but how does this tell you that all the derivative are zero around the cirlce?

6. Originally Posted by lilaziz1
Yes I got that but how does this tell you that all the derivative are zero around the cirlce?

I already answered: because if a point $\displaystyle (x,y)$ belongs to THAT circle then inputting it in $\displaystyle f_x$ we get zero...what else?!

Tonio