# Math Help - Differentiating...

1. ## Differentiating...

Okay, so I'm finding the derivative of y = (5x - 1)^2 (3x + 7)^3

I've gotten it to y' = (5x - 1)^2 times 9(3x + 7)^2 + 10(5x-1) times (3x + 7)^3

My question is: do I combine all of these terms together or do you typically just leave it in this form?

2. Originally Posted by bobsanchez
Okay, so I'm finding the derivative of y = (5x - 1)^2 (3x + 7)^3

I've gotten it to y' = (5x - 1)^2 times 9(3x + 7)^2 + 10(5x-1) times (3x + 7)^3

My question is: do I combine all of these terms together or do you typically just leave it in this form?
It may not be the most compact way to express the derivative,
but if you substitute a value of x into that, you will get the curve gradient at that x.

You can simplify further...

$10(5x-1)(3x+7)^3+9(3x+7)^2(5x-1)^2$

has $(3x+7)^2(5x-1)$ common

$(3x+7)^2(5x-1)\left(10[3x+7]+9[5x-1]\right)=(3x+7)^2(5x-1)(75x+61)$

is fairly compact

3. Another similar "procedural" type question: is it necessary to put in terms of y in order to differentiate? For instance...

Differentiate 17cos(x)sin(y) = 12

Would I have to put in terms of y and, if so, how would I do that? If I can simply differentiate straightforwardly, I think I can do it.

4. Originally Posted by bobsanchez
Another similar "procedural" type question: is it necessary to put in terms of y in order to differentiate? For instance...

Differentiate 17cos(x)sin(y) = 12

Would I have to put in terms of y and, if so, how would I do that? If I can simply differentiate straightforwardly, I think I can do it.
I recommend you use implicit differentiation.

5. what happens with the 12?

6. Originally Posted by bobsanchez
what happens with the 12?
what's the derivative of a constant?

7. Okay, so 17cos(x)cos(y) - 17sin(x)sin(y) = 0?

8. Originally Posted by bobsanchez
Okay, so 17cos(x)cos(y) - 17sin(x)sin(y) = 0?
You've lost the derivative!

$17cosxsiny=12$

$cosxsiny=\frac{12}{17}$

If differentiating wrt x

$siny(-sinx)+cosx\frac{dy}{dx}\frac{d}{dy}siny=0$

using the chain rule

9. $\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}\left[17\cos{x}\sin{y} = 12\right]
$

$\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}\left[\cos{x}\sin{y} = \frac{12}{17}\right]
$

$\displaystyle
\cos{x}\cos{y} \cdot \frac{dy}{dx} + \sin{y}(-\sin{x}) = 0$

$\displaystyle
\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{\sin{x}\sin{y}}{\cos{x}\cos{y}} = \tan{x}\tan{y}$