# Thread: Derivatives involving both product/quotient rule

1. ## Derivatives involving both product/quotient rule

Find f'(x) for y = (x+5 / x+1) (2x+1)

I don't know how to proceed here. Do I use the quotient rule inside the first brackets? Then what?

2. First thing you can do is use the product rule
$\displaystyle y' = \frac{d}{dx}\left[\frac{x+5}{x+1}\right] \cdot (2x+1) + 2\cdot \frac{x+5}{x+1}$.
From here we can take the derivative using the quotient rule on $\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}\left[\frac{x+5}{x+1}\right] = \frac{(x+1) - (x + 5)}{(x+1)^2}$.
Combine this with the previous result
$\displaystyle y' = \frac{(x+1) - (x + 5)}{(x+1)^2} \cdot (2x+1) + 2\cdot \frac{x+5}{x+1}$.
Now simplify.

3. Originally Posted by lvleph
First thing you can do is use the product rule
$\displaystyle y' = \frac{d}{dx}\left[\frac{x+5}{x+1}\right] \cdot (2x+1) + 2\cdot \frac{x+5}{x+1}$.
From here we can take the derivative using the quotient rule on $\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}\left[\frac{x+5}{x+1}\right] = \frac{(x+1) - (x + 5)}{(x+1)^2}$.
Combine this with the previous result
$\displaystyle y' = \frac{(x+1) - (x + 5)}{(x+1)^2} \cdot (2x+1) + 2\cdot \frac{x+5}{x+1}$.
Now simplify.
You don't end up with $\displaystyle 2(x^2 + 2x + 3) / (x+1)^2$ do you?

4. Yes, that is what www.wolframalpha.com gives.