# Taylor Polynomial Problem help

• Nov 28th 2009, 11:09 PM
DaveDammit
Taylor Polynomial Problem help
Very hard take home test. We're trying to figure out how to integrate:

$\displaystyle f(x) = \int_{1}^{x}\frac{lnt}{1+t^2}dt$

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
• Nov 29th 2009, 12:44 AM
mr fantastic
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveDammit
Very hard take home test. We're trying to figure out how to integrate:

$\displaystyle f(x) = \int_{1}^{x}\frac{lnt}{1+t^2}dt$

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Please post the entire question, complete with all instructions.
• Nov 29th 2009, 01:05 AM
simplependulum
sub $\displaystyle y = \frac{1}{t}$

$\displaystyle dt = - \frac{1}{y^2}~dy$

the integral becomes

$\displaystyle - \int_{\frac{1}{x}}^1 \frac{ - \ln(y) }{1 + y^2 } ~dy$

Since $\displaystyle 0 < \frac{1}{x} \leq y < 1$

$\displaystyle \frac{1}{1 + y^2}$ can be changed to infinite series form .

$\displaystyle - \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (-1)^n \int_{\frac{1}{x}}^1 \ln(y) y^{2n}~dy$

$\displaystyle \int \ln(y) y^{2n}~dy = \ln(y) \frac{y^{2n+1}}{2n+1} - \frac{ y^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)^2 }$

Finally , the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{ (-1)^n}{(2n+1)^2} - \ln(x) \tan^{-1}(\frac{1}{x}) - \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{ (-1)^n }{ x^{2n+1} (2n+1)^2}$

note that $\displaystyle \tan^{-1}(\frac{1}{x})$ can be changed to

$\displaystyle \frac{\pi}{2} - \tan^{-1}(x)$

If $\displaystyle x \to \infty$

the integral $\displaystyle \int_1^{\infty} \frac{\ln(x)}{1 + x^2 }~dx$

$\displaystyle = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{ (-1)^n}{(2n+1)^2}$
• Nov 29th 2009, 01:55 AM
NonCommAlg
simplependulum, what you found is not a Taylor series. i think DaveDammit is probably looking for the Taylor series of $\displaystyle f(x)$ at $\displaystyle x = 1$. hopefully some day he'll give us more details!
• Nov 29th 2009, 09:18 AM
DaveDammit
Quote:

Originally Posted by mr fantastic
Please post the entire question, complete with all instructions.

Sorry guys, was working late on the test last night and was very tired when I posted. Pretty cool problems, here's the complete question:

Find the third Taylor polynomial of $\displaystyle f(x) = \int_{1}^{x}\frac{lnt}{1+t^2}dt$ about $\displaystyle a=1$.

Thanks for any help!
• Nov 29th 2009, 09:22 AM
Jameson
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveDammit
Sorry guys, was working late on the test last night and was very tired when I posted. Pretty cool problems, here's the complete question:

Find the third Taylor polynomial of $\displaystyle f(x) = \int_{1}^{x}\frac{lnt}{1+t^2}dt$ about $\displaystyle a=1$.

Thanks for any help!

It seems simplependulum already answered this by giving the general Taylor series for the integral. If you want just the first 3 terms you can write them out through his work.
• Nov 29th 2009, 09:26 AM
hjortur
You do know the definition that a third order Taylor polynomial of f(x) about a is:

$\displaystyle T_3(f(x),a)=f(a)+f'(a)(x-a)+\frac{f''(a)}{2!}(x-a)^2+\frac{f'''(a)}{3!}(x-a)^3$.

So all you need to do is find the first 3 derivatives of f(x), and sub a=1.

Hope that helps.
• Nov 29th 2009, 09:31 AM
DaveDammit
Quote:

Originally Posted by hjortur
You do know the definition that a third order Taylor polynomial of f(x) about a is:

$\displaystyle T_3(f(x),a)=f(a)+f'(a)(x-a)+\frac{f''(a)}{2!}(x-a)^2+\frac{f'''(a)}{3!}(x-a)^3$.

So all you need to do is find the first 3 derivatives of f(x), and sub a=1.

Hope that helps.

I do know the definition of a third order Taylor polynomial. That's not the problem I'm having.

The problem I'm having is using one of the Fundemental Theorems of Calculus to integrate the function with respect to $\displaystyle t$ in order to find my $\displaystyle f(x)$ function. This specific function is fairly challenging for me to integrate. It is a beautiful problem and I will attempt to solve it.

• Nov 29th 2009, 09:36 AM
Jameson
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Originally Posted by DaveDammit
I do know the definition of a third order Taylor polynomial. That's not the problem I'm having.

The problem I'm having is using one of the Fundemental Theorems of Calculus to integrate the function with respect to $\displaystyle t$ in order to find my $\displaystyle f(x)$ function. This specific function is fairly challenging for me to integrate. It is a beautiful problem and I will attempt to solve it.

I didn't see NCA's note that simplependulum didn't write a Taylor polynomial so my previous post isn't correct.

I think the point of this problem is you don't need to actually integrate the function because you can use FTCII to find f(1). What is f(1) if the integral of f(t) has bounds from 1 to 1?

From there, f'(a) is just f(t) and all further derivatives can easily be found. You don't need to find the integral of f(t) to write the Taylor polynomial of f(x).
• Nov 29th 2009, 09:46 AM
hjortur
$\displaystyle f(x) = \int_{1}^{x}\frac{lnt}{1+t^2}dt$

Then according to the fundamental theorem of calculus:

$\displaystyle f'(x)=\frac{ln(x)}{1+x^2}$

Do you see why?

You don't need to integrate at all.

Can you finish this one now?
• Dec 6th 2009, 03:53 PM
DaveDammit
Hey guys,

Sorry I'm so late in responding to this but I just wanted to let you guys know that I completed the problem and I think I did very well on the test. I had to calculate a wicked third derivative of the function but I'm pretty sure I got the answer right.