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    [not solved]Help finding the largest and smallest value

    I need to find the largest and smallest value for f(x,y) in a particular domain.

    f(x,y)=x^2+x(y^2-1) and x^2+y^2\leq17

    I found the stationary points but I have trouble when I insert the domain in f(x,y) g(x)=x(x+16-x^2) as the answer I get is not right.

    How would you solve the problem?

    Thanks
    Last edited by sebasto; September 20th 2009 at 01:16 AM.
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    Hello, sebasto!

    The domain gave me headaches, so I ignored it at the beginning.


    Find the maximum and minimum for f(x,y) in a given domain.

    . . f(x,y)\:=\:x^2+xy^2-x \qquad\text{Domain: }x^2+y^2\:\leq\:17
    Equate the partial derivative to zero and solve.

    . .  \begin{array}{ccccc}f_x\!: & 2x + y^2 - 1 \:=\: 0 & [1] \\ f_y\!: & 2xy \:=\: 0 & [2] \end{array}


    From [2], we have: . x = 0,\;y = 0

    If x = 0, [1] becomes: . y^2 - 1 \:=\:0 \quad\Rightarrow\quad y \:=\:\pm1
    . . We have two critical points: . (0,\:\pm1)

    If y = 0, [1] becomes: .  2x - 1 \:=\:0 \quad\Rightarrow\quad x \:=\:\tfrac{1}{2}
    . . We have one more critical point: . \left(\tfrac{1}{2},\:0\right)


    Second Partial Test: . \begin{Bmatrix}f_{xx} &=& 2 \\ f_{yy} &=& 2x \\ f_{xy} &=& 2y \end{Bmatrix} \quad\Rightarrow\quad D \;=\;4x- 4y^2


    At (0,\:\pm1)\!:\;\;D \:=\:4(0)- 4(\pm1)^2 \:=\:-4 . . . saddle points


    At \left(\tfrac{1}{2},\:0\right)\!:\;\;D \:=\:4\left(\tfrac{1}{2}\right) - 4(0^2) \:=\:+2 . . . extremum

    . . f_{xx} = +2 . . . positive, concave up


    Therefore: . \text{ minimum at }\left(\frac{1}{2},\:0,\:\text{-}\frac{1}{4}\right) . . . which is in the domain.


    Edit: We must find the maximum(s) along the circumference of that circle.

    I would use Lagrange multipliers: . F(x,y,\lambda) \;=\;x^2 + xy^2 - x + \lambda(x^2+y^2-17)

    Last edited by Soroban; September 20th 2009 at 05:40 AM.
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    I got the same saddle points and minimum with their respective function value, but the answer is

    smallest value f(-2;\sqrt{13})=-20
    Largest value f(-\sqrt{17};0)=17+\sqrt{17}

    Maybe I formulated the question wrong, I'm looking for the smallest and largest value in the range S=\{(x,y):x^2+y^2\leq17\}
    Last edited by sebasto; September 20th 2009 at 05:29 AM.
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    Anyone out there that has a clue on how to solve this? I have a test tomorrow and would really appreciate knowing how to solve this problem.

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