Should I upgrade from an 83 to an 89 for next semester?

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April 28th 2009, 12:37 PM
sinewave85

Should I upgrade from an 83 to an 89 for next semester?

Right now I have a Ti 83 that I have had since eighth grade. At this point (wrapping up my first semester of Calculus) I use it infrequently -- mostly to find decimal values and to double check my arithmetic before I submit work.

My university "recommends, but does not require, a calculator capable of advanced functions (such as a Ti 89) for use as a learning tool to aid students in familiarizing themselves with the material and concepts presented. However, no student will be allowed access to a calculator of any kind during any test or assignment which contributes to the student's final grade."

Thus far I have put off upgrading in part because of the expense, and in part because I was worried about becoming dependent on the calculator's capabilities. However, at this point I am starting to wonder if not having one is going to put me at a disadvantage as the material becomes harder. What is your opinion -- is a Ti 89 a valuable learning tool or an expensive crutch?
April 29th 2009, 12:37 AM
The Second Solution

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Originally Posted by sinewave85

Right now I have a Ti 83 that I have had since eighth grade. At this point (wrapping up my first semester of Calculus) I use it infrequently -- mostly to find decimal values and to double check my arithmetic before I submit work.

My university "recommends, but does not require, a calculator capable of advanced functions (such as a Ti 89) for use as a learning tool to aid students in familiarizing themselves with the material and concepts presented. However, no student will be allowed access to a calculator of any kind during any test or assignment which contributes to the student's final grade."

Thus far I have put off upgrading in part because of the expense, and in part because I was worried about becoming dependent on the calculator's capabilities. However, at this point I am starting to wonder if not having one is going to put me at a disadvantage as the material becomes harder. What is your opinion -- is a Ti 89 a valuable learning tool or an expensive crutch?

If the calculator is not used in the exam then you're not disadvantaged by not having one. Most things you might like to do (checking assignment work etc.) can be done using on-line freeware.
April 29th 2009, 10:32 AM
arbolis

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Originally Posted by sinewave85

Right now I have a Ti 83 that I have had since eighth grade. At this point (wrapping up my first semester of Calculus) I use it infrequently -- mostly to find decimal values and to double check my arithmetic before I submit work.

My university "recommends, but does not require, a calculator capable of advanced functions (such as a Ti 89) for use as a learning tool to aid students in familiarizing themselves with the material and concepts presented. However, no student will be allowed access to a calculator of any kind during any test or assignment which contributes to the student's final grade."

Thus far I have put off upgrading in part because of the expense, and in part because I was worried about becoming dependent on the calculator's capabilities. However, at this point I am starting to wonder if not having one is going to put me at a disadvantage as the material becomes harder. What is your opinion -- is a Ti 89 a valuable learning tool or an expensive crutch?

Definitely not. I use a TI-82 since high school (I'm now a sophomore) and it is more than enough until now. Furthermore we are not allowed to use any calculator in maths classes, but in physics yes.
April 29th 2009, 11:06 AM
Jameson

Hello sinewave85!

This is a very good question. I was in a similar boat, as I had a TI-83 for 9-11th grade and got my TI-89 my senior year of high school. The TI-89 definitely has some amazing features that can be useful, if applied the right way. If not, like you said it becomes a crutch. Whether that would happen or not would be up to you. Like others have said, I agree that you would not be at a disadvantage to other students if you didn't buy one. You would just need to find other ways of achieving the same things, which isn't too difficult.

Cliffnotes:
1) I would buy one if it is affordable for you
2) If you don't want to or don't have the money now, it won't hurt you
3) It will only become a crutch if you allow it to

Jameson
April 29th 2009, 01:12 PM
sinewave85

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Originally Posted by The Second Solution

If the calculator is not used in the exam then you're not disadvantaged by not having one. Most things you might like to do (checking assignment work etc.) can be done using on-line freeware.

Thanks for the advice! I should look into what kind of freeware is out there.
April 29th 2009, 01:41 PM
sinewave85

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Originally Posted by Jameson

Hello sinewave85!

This is a very good question. I was in a similar boat, as I had a TI-83 for 9-11th grade and got my TI-89 my senior year of high school. The TI-89 definitely has some amazing features that can be useful, if applied the right way. If not, like you said it becomes a crutch. Whether that would happen or not would be up to you. Like others have said, I agree that you would not be at a disadvantage to other students if you didn't buy one. You would just need to find other ways of achieving the same things, which isn't too difficult.

Cliffnotes:
1) I would buy one if it is affordable for you
2) If you don't want to or don't have the money now, it won't hurt you
3) It will only become a crutch if you allow it to

Jameson

Thanks so much for all the advice!

My main interest in one is, as The Second Solution said, the ability to check over my work -- both major steps of complex problems and finished solutions. The cost is significant for me, but so is the time. I find myself spending almost as much time going back over my work line by line as I do working the problems in the first place, and it adds up to a lot of time each week spent on my one math course. With relatively low-intensity freshman courses, I have found the time, but I worry that may change as I get into higher-level work. If I could, for instance, enter something like this

$\frac{d}{dx}\left(\sin^{-1}(xy) + \frac{\pi}{2} = \cos^{-1}(y)\right)$
and see quickly if I had the right answer, that would be great.

It is not so much that I worry about abusing it (putting questions through the calculator without first doing the work on paper) but rather becoming so attached to it psychologically that I feel lost without it. Since I am a distance student, about 95% of my final grade is one four-hour test at the end of the semester -- a bad time to be switching habits.

As I said, thanks to all for the advice. I felt kind of silly asking this question, and I appreciate the thoughtfull responses! Now, I suppose, it is just a matter of weighing my priorities.
April 29th 2009, 02:23 PM
Jameson

I agree this comes down to your priorities. I don't know your financial situation, but I think that in the end the cost of the calculator shouldn't be the determining factor. You could work part time or live meekly for a while to earn the $100-something it costs. Remember your time spent learning is an investment and tools like this can pay out many times over in the future. That isn't to tell you to buy it no matter what, but just something to think about.

Finally, I think you should think about this. After Calculus III (multi-variable) and Differential Equations I (introductory class), computations are less and less a part of math classes. Higher level math classes deal with generalities and proofs and stop asking questions where the answer is a number. I think that it would be easily possible that you would stop using any calculator for the last year or so of undergraduate math study.

That's about every possible thing I can think of on this topic, so good luck :)
April 29th 2009, 04:05 PM
mr fantastic

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Originally Posted by sinewave85

Thanks for the advice! I should look into what kind of freeware is out there.

An on-line integrator: Wolfram Mathematica Online Integrator

An on-line derivative calculator: Step-by-Step Derivatives
April 30th 2009, 09:32 AM
sinewave85

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jameson

I agree this comes down to your priorities. I don't know your financial situation, but I think that in the end the cost of the calculator shouldn't be the determining factor. You could work part time or live meekly for a while to earn the $100-something it costs. Remember your time spent learning is an investment and tools like this can pay out many times over in the future. That isn't to tell you to buy it no matter what, but just something to think about.

Finally, I think you should think about this. After Calculus III (multi-variable) and Differential Equations I (introductory class), computations are less and less a part of math classes. Higher level math classes deal with generalities and proofs and stop asking questions where the answer is a number. I think that it would be easily possible that you would stop using any calculator for the last year or so of undergraduate math study.

That's about every possible thing I can think of on this topic, so good luck :)

Ok, you've convinced me. (Clapping) I will budget for one over the summer. I have no illusions about growing up to be a mathemetician; my goal is just to make it through enough math to keep my degree options open. Thanks for all of the good advice, Jameson!
April 30th 2009, 10:05 AM
sinewave85

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Originally Posted by mr fantastic

An on-line integrator: Wolfram Mathematica Online Integrator

An on-line derivative calculator: Step-by-Step Derivatives

Thanks so much for the links. Those will help alot! I really appreciate all of the input.
April 30th 2009, 01:23 PM
gammaman

I happen to own an 89.
In my calculus II class the exams are given in two parts. Anything involving integration of any type is on the non-calculator portion of the test. So I spent all that money on it and don't even get to take advantage of any of it's features. I mean I would just like to be able to use it for things like factoring or polynomial long division, or any other areas where I am likely to make a careless mistake, but no I am not allowed a calculator at all. Do yourself a favor, save your money.
May 2nd 2009, 07:37 AM
sinewave85

Quote:

Originally Posted by gammaman

I happen to own an 89.
In my calculus II class the exams are given in two parts. Anything involving integration of any type is on the non-calculator portion of the test. So I spent all that money on it and don't even get to take advantage of any of it's features. I mean I would just like to be able to use it for things like factoring or polynomial long division, or any other areas where I am likely to make a careless mistake, but no I am not allowed a calculator at all. Do yourself a favor, save your money.

Thanks for the input, gammaman. Not being allowed to use the calculator on tests is on the con's list for me. I wonder, however, if you find the calculator helpful or enlightening on daily work. Does it make it easier to work though the material efficiently or to understand the concepts presented? Or do you not use it at all, given its exclusion from tests?